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I wasnt going to respond to anything more today because its late and i need to sleep and my brain is fried. But holy moly, is that lions mane fruiting body reference material i see?! What a time to be alive, was thinking about making a post about this some time later along with some other lions mane stuff. Anyways, i think i remember you saying more or less that amyloban is bunk, have you guys tested it? Because something is not adding up, their patent claims they go through an ungodly amount of raw material to produce their extract, unless ive misunderstood/ missed something, yet their extract is infinitely cheaper than your 8:1 when accounting for raw material. Now i get that they might grow their own in a country where its cheaper to produce, but something is not adding up, either you guys have very high prices or something is going on with their extract. I think that a head to head in bioactives would clear a lot up. Generally speaking i like getting the non essential stuff from you guys because there is generally some kind of consistency/ standardisation and you know what you are buying and there is heavy metal testing, but when accounting for price per dose (with the recommended/ studied amyloban dose being waaaay higher) and the fact that amyloban has been studied for a lot of psychiatric disorders and shown a lot of promise, something is not adding up.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Yep! We have the most comprehensive assay methods for testing the fruiting bodies of lion's mane in the world now! We've actually already shared this data and methods with other labs, like Twin Arbor, to help them make their methods more accurate. We will be publishing them in the journal of AOAC soon, just like we did our erinacine A methods. That paper is still waiting for peer review, so I think they might be backlogged. However, we are putting these methods and data out for the world to have, and sharing them with other brands and labs, so that we can push things forward.
I will say that the lion's mane fruiting bodies on the market are MUCH LESS shitty than the mycelium ones. That was surprising to me. The state of the lion's mane fruiting body side of things is actually not horrible. Mycelium? Everything else out there is shitty, other than our Erinamax. There is one brand in the EU that has higher levels that others. I think they are in Poland or the Czech Republic. I will have to go back through the data. They failed for their label claims, but they had more erinacine A than all the other products. Still nowhere near Erinamax. We are far ahead of everyone there. We are ahead on the fruiting body side as well, as you can see in the chromatograms, but not as much as I would like. We've done a ton in the background on lion's mane fruiting bodies, and some of our R&D batches were nuts. We have some really cool data on WHY hericenes and hericenones are higher in some lion's mane than others that is going to be pretty interesting for everyone when we publish it. I'm always looking for the whys as much as just making things more potent.
Anyways, i think i remember you saying more or less that amyloban is bunk, have you guys tested it? Because something is not adding up, their patent claims they go through an ungodly amount of raw material to produce their extract, unless ive misunderstood/ missed something, yet their extract is infinitely cheaper than your 8:1 when accounting for raw material. Now i get that they might grow their own in a country where its cheaper to produce, but something is not adding up, either you guys have very high prices or something is going on with their extract.
You know they are full of shit when their product is called Amyloban, and their standardization is to 6% amyloban... What if our Erinamax was standardized to 0.5% erinamax (including erinacines). It would be idiotic. That being said, we have not bought any and tested it on our current methods. I will have my team do that now.