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So, basically it's 2% ganoderic acids and 23% beta-glucans.
$70 for (60 x 850mg) = 51 grams
Real Mushrooms' Reishi Longevity is > 25% beta-glucans and -based on your comment- ± 1.7% ganoderic acids.
$ 80 for (100 x 1000mg) = 100 grams
Sorry but I'm not impressed
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Real Mushrooms isn't standardized to ganoderic acids at all. It's standardized to 4% triterpenes. What we found in a single batch is not a standardization. Ours has higher than we say on the label, too. We just set our standardization for what we will hit minimum every time. That was also a batch from January 2024. Who knows what current batches will come back as. That's why standardization is important.
Here is the chromatogram from the Real Mushrooms reishi.
Notice a difference to our chromatogram? Ours has way more peaks for ganoderic acids that are not being counted in the numbers I gave. Remember, I am quoting USP STAG percentages. That means only the 10 peaks in the USP STAG. We have not moved to our larger set of ganoderic acids in the numbers we quote yet, as we always validate our chemistry before changing our STAGs. If you integrate all the ganoderic acid peaks that are in ours, we are looking at a significant increase to the % standardization. With the 5 extra we have validated so far, we are at 20% more ganoderic acids than the current label claim. We are estimating that once we integrate all the peaks, we will be over 50% more than our current label claim. That's in the product right now. We are just not claiming it till we validate the methods. Once we validate our method, we are publishing it to the journal of AOAC, as we recently did our erinacine A method. Once that happens, we will update our label claims to our larger set of ganoderic acids. That chromatogram is also just the fruiting body. That's to say nothing of the other terpenes from the cracked spore powder. The cracked spore powder is standardized to 6% terpenes. And you can try to play it off as "just other peaks, not proven gaonderic acids." However, we have already validated with independent reference standards 5 more than the USP. The rest we have mass spec data and pretty much know which ganoderic acids they are. So while we have not published the method yet, these other peaks are ganoderic acids.
You're never going to be impressed by anything we do. That's pretty clear at this point. Anyone can go through your post history and read. It's like you make it your job to try to criticize us and call us out for conclusions you have already come to yourself, yet you still keep coming here acting like you are operating in good faith. Go buy the other companies' products if you think they are better. You keep suggesting Oriveda lion's mane, even though we have shown you it contains almost no erinacine A. Here, I will post the chromatogram again. We found 0.001% erinacine A.
Oriveda lion's mane mycelium UPLC
Here is Oriveda's fruiting body lion's mane.
That's 0.15% hericenes and hericenones. That's better than their mycelium, for sure. That actually matches Real Mushrooms' 1:1 lion's mane.
Real Mushrooms lion's mane 1:1
You can see, almost exactly the same total hericenes and hericenones as the Oriveda sample. The ratios of each are different, but totals are almost the same. Real Mushrooms is certainly cheaper than Oriveda, though. Now let's look at a recent batch of our lion's mane 1:1.
Nootropics Depot Lion's Mane 1:1
So our current batch has over double the hericenes and hericenones... and it is only $19.99! That's just our current batch, too. We have new batches coming with higher amounts. Our Erinamax has way more erinacine A than any other product on the market, and everyone in the industry that has tested it knows it. In fact, you will see our Erinamax being sold by some other brands soon. Chromadex used our Erinamax to make their erinacine A reference standard. We are supplying Erinamax, and some of our pure erinacine A standard, to research orgs doing their own independent studies on it. We are on the AOAC BIDSI functional fungi advisory panel for setting the new industry testing standards. NAMMEX is on there with us as well, along with multiple other people in the mushroom space. We are all working together to set these new industry standards for mushrooms.
https://www.aoac.org/scientific-solutions/bidsi/bidsi-supporters/
We are collaborating and trying to push the science of this space forward, yet you constantly just say we are misleading to sell product, or just pushing empty marketing. Then you point to Oriveda, who is doing nothing to advance the science of this industry, is not partnering with anyone else to try to make meaningful change, who used a fake dry lab for years to show false standardizations on their products, and who's products fall short of claims every time they are tested. Yet you hold them up as some gold standard, and come to our subreddit to shit on us any time you can.
We were giving props to Real Mushrooms for being the highest other brand we tested for reishi. I didn't have to do that, but data is data, and I feel being honest about the people doing it right in this industry is the best way to go. In fact, we have been partnering with Real Mushrooms and NAMMEX on scientific efforts the past 6 months, and are having a larger partnership going forward. So we have nothing against Real Mushrooms. Far from it. They are one of the other ones in the mushroom space trying to push the science forward. That doesn't mean their Reishi Longevity product is equivalent to our Lucidimax. It's a great product in itself, though. So if you want to buy that, go ahead! Also, we are replacing our reishi 8:1 with a higher ganoderic acid spec for cheaper. So if you want a direct replacement for Real Mushrooms' one, that will be it. Lucidimax is a very different product meant to give the highest amount of ganoderic acids possible, along with the compounds from the cracked spores, and the beta-glucans from the fruiting body. It does just that.