Comment · Tue, June 5, 2018 · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot
Nootropics depot Magnesium glycinate
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narcissistic889 · 2 points
may or may not be the place for this, but the dose recommendation for mag glycinate powdered form is 1200 mg twice daily with a 14% elemental magnesium content. This seems like a lot, does this seem like too large of a dose?
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FollowMe22 · 2 points
Hey man I really appreciate you taking the time to write this whole response because you certainly didn't have to. Really informative and I'm now pretty excited to try one of your products \(infact you have one that I was looking for\).
One further question though: how do you determine safety levels for heavy metals? For example, your shilajit powder has a lead concentration of \~1 ppm. The Clean Label Project recently did a study of lead content in protein powders \(I understand that different product categories will have different expected contaminant levels\), and were surprised by how high the lead levels tested were. But 1 ppm is higher than every single result except for one. Here is the raw data: https://www.cleanlabelproject.org/protein\-powder\-raw\-data/
You're not obligated to respond to this or anything but you can see how as an outsider of this industry it can be pretty confusing to make informed decisions.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot
Our shilajit has a LIMIT of 2ppm. That's the upper limit we will allow. The measurable amounts in each batch are lower than that. Shilajit is a product that is naturally higher in heavy metals. It's why we only sell a purified extract called Primavie. That's put through a process to remove any heavy metals that built up naturally. I would never consume raw shilajit. However, I take ours every day. I think our last batch was at .887ppm. So .887ppm times 250mg means you are getting a dose of 0.22 micrograms per dose. Two tenths of a microgram of lead is lower than you are getting from many other things you consume every day.
Regarding the protein powder, you consume a LOT more protein powder than shilait. A dose of our shilajit is 250mg. A dose of whey protein is 50 to 100 GRAMS. So you could be taking up to 400 times the amount of protein as you are shilajit. Please don't take 50-100 grams of shilajit. That would be bad. It's the same reason drinking water has different heavy metals limits than other things. You consume a lot more water than you do supplements. If we take the highest lead limit for protein on the link you sent, 123mcg/kg, that would give you a 12.3 microgram dose of lead for a 100 gram protein dose. That's 56 times higher than our shilajit. It looks like the average of all those proteins is around 15mcg/kg (I did not calculate it exactly). So a 100 gram dose of the average protein powder would give you a 1.5 mcg dose of lead. That's 6.8 times higher than our shilajit.
Trust me, my team and I go back and forth on all this to ensure we fully understand the implications of the limits we set. We work closely with a couple labs on our heavy metals analysis, and even drill down way way more in detail than most. So for things like krill oil, which has naturally higher levels of arsenic, we dive into the research to understand what the limits should be. Organic arsenic is not harmful to humans. It's inorganic arsenic that is. Krill is naturally higher in organic forms of arsenic, like arsenobetaine and arsenocholine. What you want to avoid is inorganic forms of arsenic, like arsenite and arsenate. So our lab breaks out each form, and we have limits set for each type; based off safety research into them. I don't just randomly pick a number based off what others are doing. I dive into the research to fully understand why things are the way they are, and what limits I feel safe approving; not only for our customers, but for myself as well. This is my passion, and I personally take many of our products. So if I am not 100% comfortable with something, I reject it. It's why so many people trust us.
EDIT: Redid calculations.