Comment · Sat, January 7, 2023 · ND Owner
Cognance final review - much ado about nothing !
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Hiawatha2020 · 24 points
This is in follow up to a previous review where I used 100mg of Cognance for a week and noticed nothing.
Then I went on 200mg a day for 3 weeks and still nothing to report home about …. No placebo effect either
I then took 200mg of Cognance with prescription Adderall 10mg. It caused irritability, anger and bad mood. The focus provided usually by standalone Adderall 10mg was completely lost.
So my final review is give this a pass. It’s absolutely worthless for me.
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aWildShanzAppears · 8 points
It's actually really interesting. I've been a lurker on the main nootropics sub for 6+ years, and (I suspect you remember, too) for a long time there wasn't a whole lot of talk about negative reactions to things like bacopa and ashwagandha. Not that everyone got along well with them, but predominantly the discussion about them was positive or at least a lot more varied. A while back it felt like the narrative changed overnight and suddenly there was this widespread consensus that they fuck you up, make you anhedonic, and absolutely have to be cycled even though all the studies I've seen on their efficacy have been long term. Especially with standard bacopa, it almost seems like everyone just latched onto one possible experience to the point where all the others have disappeared entirely from conversations.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Right? There has been a clear shift. I am all for people relaying their personal experiences, good or bad. That's the whole point of the nootropics community. However, lately it seems more like a team sport. People pick their sides, then only post their biased views. This has shifted negative a lot of the time. Lion's mane and reishi permanently chemically castrate men, and they are dangerous. Bacopa reduces everyone that takes it to unmotivated shells of humans. You get people diagnosed with clinical depression that take a supplement twice and then make a post that it is useless... We are straying further and further from the nuanced scientific approach needed to actually advance our understanding of human cognition. I'm here because I am passionate about advancement. We develop things because we think they are cool, and we want to push the space forward and increase our understanding of the human experience. That road is not a straight line, and we are going to develop things that don't perform as we had hoped. Hopefully we learn along the way and use that knowledge to formulate better products in the future.
I started out a long time ago in nootropics. I jumped right into the very advanced side of things. We were developing brand new molecules that had never existed before, and testing them out on ourselves. I was developing new peptides and seeing how they affected me without any research whatsoever. We were pushing the boundaries of nootropics. However, there were people in the community that were telling me that I was being irresponsible and risky. I took their statements to heart, and really sat and thought about things. I came to the conclusion that they did have a point. Perhaps we were being risky. This is when I decided to buy Nootropics Depot and shift to a more natural side of things. I knew my ultimate passion was about protecting consumers, and ensuring that the lab testing and quality control standards of the industry were up to snuff. I could do that in a less risky and more natural side of the market even more so, so I did. This was a big change for many of our customers, because they were used to constant novel advancement right on the cutting edge. I tried to explain that we could do just as cool of things on the natural side of things, but we needed time to build up our capabilities. Things like bacopa were seen as boring and safe back then. You could definitely see the tone shift over the years. The more we shifted natural, the more people said we no longer sold real nootropics. We were just a basic supplement vendor now. Some said we should change our name to Herb Depot in a dig against our shift. However, I kept pushing forward and finding ways to advance on the natural side. We spent years developing Cognance with a few of our partners around the world, doing exactly what people said they wanted us to do: develop novel new things. Yet now it seems to have flipped, and people are saying these things that were always considered boring and safe for years are risky and unsafe. The tone of things has absolutely shifted negative. I see a negative shift in the tone of discourse across the whole internet, to be honest. We can speculate all day as to why that is, but I think everyone sees it. The tone online is just very negative these days, and it permeates how people interact with each other.
Anyway, I have been thinking about it a lot. I have been watching people's tone and moods shift. I have been watching the discourse change based on the limited negative posts of others, and trying to figure out a way to address it. This pervasive negativity online is really adversely affecting people's moods, and I think we need to figure out a way to reverse it. I know politics, inflation, wars, etc. are all having a negative affect on people, and that is likely bleeding into other things. I find myself falling prey to it myself. I want to be more positive. I want to focus on the good, because doing the opposite is not working for anyone.