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Comment · Tue, April 9, 2013

MDMA Supplementation

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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 205 points

Ok, I did promise that I would make another post regarding supplementation to mitigate MDMA induced neurotoxicity. I have just been putting it off. Since my last post, I have gathered more information regarding my theory about MDA metabolism being the main cause of MDMA's neurotoxic effects. I will try to not get into that in this post, and keep this mostly about supplementation. As seems to be the norm with me, this may be long winded. Obviously everything I put on this list is not necessary. I will be placing supplements into different categories, with reasonings and references. I will let you decide which ones will be a part of your regimen.

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Essential Supplements:

* Alpha Lipoic Acid- This is one that everyone should be taking. It is a powerful antioxidant that scavenges reactive oxygen and nitrogen species. It also has a nice benefit of regenerating other vitamins, like C, after redox cycling. It exists in two enantiomers, R-ALA and S-ALA. R-ALA is the biologically active isomer that we are looking for. Most supplements a…

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disposatron · 1 points

I saw some research papers hinting that it might add to neurotoxicity though, because glutathione and mdma might interact in a bad way. Think they found the metabolite in rats as well. It sounds strange though, and glutathione is in the brain anyway...

here are them:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10604863
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23194825
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/313/1/422.abstract

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb

The N-methyl glutathione/NAC conjugates of MDMA are not found in the brain after dosing. However, they are found in the liver, and cause damage there. The glutathione conjugate of HHA is found in the brain after MDMA dosing, and causes the exact same 5-HT system damage when directly injected. 2,5-Bis-(glutathion-S-yl)-alpha-methyldopamine is the real cause of the damage. HHA itself is not toxic until it gets conjugated with glutathione. It's a cruel irony!

The studies you linked have been refuted my more recent studies that showed only the metabolites of MDA are found in the brain after normal dosing.

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