Comment · Fri, July 3, 2020 · ND Owner
Immune Defense & positive blood test results
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solothesensei · 10 points
Hi ND team and u/misteryouaresodumb, a few months ago I started taking ND's Immune Defense. I also took two blood tests near the start and end of the bottle.
Interestingly, the scores on my WBC differential count improved quite significantly, especially with respect to lymphocytes (went from 2.5x10\^9 to 3.6x10\^9 per liter). I understand these include the NK cells, T cells and B cells.
This seems positive but can immunity be actually quantified by these numbers on a blood test? In any case, you guys are doing amazing work. Thank you for all that you do.
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relevantme · 3 points
Wow, really informative; did not expect such an in depth response.
I've been taking LJ100 and another expensive extract (that I won't name but you can find easily on Amazon) in tandem, and I 100% felt like I was feeling something, but it's excellent to see that the evidence shows that it probably is doing stuff, and it's not placebo.
Obviously really looking forward to your extract. My impatience spurred me to try these 2 together, but it sounds like yours will be even better (and I assumed it would be).
Cheers!
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
I took a bottle of LJ100 when I ran out of my sample from our supplier. This was when COVID-19 had completely shut the supply chain down. So I was forced to use other sources. I got a LJ100 and a bunch of others on the market to compare. They were all garbage compared to what I was taking. LJ100 got me by, but was nowhere near as effective. Most of the other vendor's stuff I tried were total dog shit. Might as well have just not been tongkat ali. These are the top selling ones on Amazon, too. Everyone is taking garbage.
I suppose I was pampered. I got a sample of tongkat ali that was 4X more potent than LJ100 at Supply Side West this last October. That's what got me interested. I kind of just wrote it off as a bullshit supplement bodybuilders and male enhancement people over-hyped. However, after the first dose I loved it. I used up all that sample I was given over the next month, and had more samples from suppliers sent to me that were even more potent. Then one day I ran out of the samples, and I just decided to go off it. After a few days I could feel my energy levels were much lower, and my mood was shit. At first I didn't put two and two together as to why. Then I found a little more of the sample I had been taking in a bag, and took it that day. Within like an hour I was felling better. That's what I knew we had to bring one out. So we built a relationship with an extraction partner that does custom extractions to exactly our specs, and I asked them how potent they could feasibly make it. They said they had done an extremely potent extract for a pharmaceutical company before, so I had them recreate that potency, but tighten up the other specs on it for us. That's the more potent of the two we are bringing out. Then I figured I would also bring out a second extract that was not so crazy. They did that one at 4X potency of LJ100. This allows us to offer an option in powder, capsules, and coated tablets. So everyone will have options to choose from.
Ohh, and we will have AWESOME pricing on it! Our more potent extract will be about the same price as Source Naturals LJ100, but will be 20 times more potent AND have a higher dose per tablet. I think I calculated that with the increase in dose, our tablets will be 25X more potent than Source Natural's LJ100. Our capsules are also higher dosed and 4X more potent. So with the dose difference, our capsules will be 10 times more potent than the SN LJ100 for a lot cheaper. It's a win/win/win for everyone!