Comment · Fri, July 28, 2023 · ND Owner
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NDSocialMedia · 74 points
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sebovarli · 2 points
1 trial used a extract > 1 gram daily and the other used 2 gram daily
not at all the same prod as erinemax or similar dose
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
That's false. Both studies are the exact same product as ours. They used non-extracted whole lion's mane mycelium standardized to 0.5% erinacine-A. We had conference calls with the authors of those studies to confirm, and we even shared some data back and forth. Yes, the dose was 1g and 2g. That's why we did 500mg tablets at 60ct. If you take two, that's 30 days at the 1g dose of the first study. Also, those are disease studies looking for clinically significant results for their study design. We are not selling lion's mane to people to treat their Alzheimer's and elderly hearing loss, nor for any disease at all. We are selling it as a supplement, and in beta testing we found lower doses work for that. Even so, we did 500mg scored tablets. That will allow you to take 250mg, 500mg, 750mg, or 1,000mg easily. Regardless, ours has more erinacine-A than any other product in the world, by a long shot. If you want to take 2g like the second study, go right ahead. There is no alternative better than our product for that.
Listen, I get you want to keep holding on to the idea that Oriveda is the best mushroom vendor, but they have literally zero data behind their claims. It took me screaming for years that RINP was a fake dry lab for them to even consider their numbers were wrong. Then did they do a big retraction, and apologize to everyone for claiming fraudulent standardizations for years? NOPE. They quietly stopped using RINP and making erinacine/hericenone claims on their products, and just hoped everyone would forget... Well, they still list "Erinacines" on the bag, like just saying the word means anything. Where is the new data from a non-fake lab showing it contains erinacines? Then they start saying what I was saying about the lack of methods, like they had been saying it all along! It's fraud, man! It's fake numbers and unsubstantiated claims. Moreover, everyone repeats Oriveda is the best without any evidence at all. Show me their lab and production facility. Have them send a video of their science operation, or anything at all to show they are "the best" in the industry. It's just them saying things, and people repeating them! We've spoken to the suppliers that were claiming to sell the erinacine standardized mycelium products. They told us they were selling to a company in the Netherlands, and Oriveda was making the same claims these Chinese suppliers were. You do the math. Then we even got these suppliers to admit their numbers were fake. They admitted their methods weren't actually testing erinacines. They were using a total polyphenols UV method. What is Oriveda currently claiming on their products? POLYPHENOLS... Everyone is acting like Oriveda is doing their own extractions and has a scientific lab. Most brands are just buying shit from China, then sending to random labs, and getting back data they have no idea how to interpret. We actually have a mushroom lab. We actually do real science. You can see our videos, and do 3D walkthroughs of our lab. You can actually talk to me or my lab director about this science. We collaborate with other scientific authors from around the world. You know the Italian scientists that posted the other erinacine-A papers? Yeah, we worked with them too! We are actually a part of the scientific community trying to answer these questions. We work with multiple other US-based mushroom grow operations to help with this scientific endeavor. I could have put out a mycelium product years ago, and made millions of dollars doing so, but I chose not to, till we could solve some of the science. Literally 8 years of me choosing to not sell a product I was not confident in. I didn't just wait around for other people to write papers and solve the problems for me. I spent millions of dollars on our mushroom lab and standards creation operation. I create a product that is the exact same as the ones used in the placebo controlled human clinical research on lion's mane mycelium, yet you are going to try to convince people that's bad because some rando company with no real lab data tells you that you need something different? Show me anything at all to prove their claims are real. Anything at all. Furthermore, we are doing extracts of this material... How do you think we created the reference standards? We extracted, isolated, and concentrated them. We also found that you need to extract them in a very specific way, or you DESTROY the erinacines! So extracting them can actually make it WORSE if you don't know what you are doing, which is literally our competitors. They have no lab, no scientists, and no real way to even prove or understand the things they claim. They read a study, misinterpret it, then repeat that as gospel. It's absolutely crazy! I've also tried extracts, and pure erinacine-A.
Here is pure \(>90%\) erinacine-A solvated in ethanol
I took it like a shot, and joked that it was the most expensive shot in the world, because it took me 8 years and millions of dollars to make. I also beta tested multiple other extractions. Some I liked. Some were very very bad, because of the breakdown of erinacines into compounds that cause bad side effects. Our competitors saying: "You have to ethanol extract it!" are simplifying a complex issue down to a meaningless statements. For one, you don't NEED to extract. All the human clinical research on lion's mane so far, for both the mycelium AND fruiting bodies, has used non-extracted material. Also, you can extract improperly, and then lose all of the stuff you were trying to concentrate. This is why doing real testing is crucial. You can't just YOLO it and hope your extraction is good. You have to prove it. Have them even tell you what the solubilites of these compounds are. They don't know. They can only read papers and parrot what those papers say. We actually do the science in the lab to prove these things. Saying: "Erinacines are ethanol soluble, so you need to extract with ethanol!" is just a complete oversimplification, and not backed by any real science of their own at all. It's just words.
We also tested their stuff for beta-glucans, and it failed for their claims. They claim 10% beta-glucans for their mycelium. We found 8.87%. Then they claim polyphenols. Using a gallic acids equivalent test is meaningless, as you could just spike with gallic acid... The only reason they are doing that is that is what the Chinese suppliers are using. They are using a UV-VIS method for total polyphenols, and were claiming that meant they were erinacines. It's a meaningless number. They also say:
Contains sterols, diterpenoids, erinacine A-R, erinacol
Ohh really? Where is the lab testing data? They also claim 40% beta-glucans in their 1:1 lossless fruiting body. We only found 35%. So both products failed for their claims. This is the pinnacle of the mushroom world? I feel like I am taking crazy pills! Double Wood had more eriancine-A than they did, and Double Wood is garbage without any testing! Erinamax is the first liquid culture mycelium product in the world actually standardized to erinacine-A, and it matches the only available double blind placebo controlled human studies on lion's mane mycelium. Extracts will come later. Standardized ones, not random ones without evidence.