Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · Ceretropic
Cerebral Health Pyritinol Test Results (WARNING)
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 491 points
Many of you may remember the issue that came up with Cerebral Health/Bioscience Nutraceuticals a few months ago, where their choline bitartrate was numbing people's mouths. After sending those samples in to the lab, the tests came back negative for choline bitartrate. We suspected it was choline salacylate, but decided further testing to ascertain the exact compound would not be worth the cost. Unfortunately that was not the last issue to come from Cerebral Health.
A few weeks ago, another Redditor placed an order pyritinol from CH, along with some alpha GPC and oxiracetam. When the order arrived, both the alpha GPC and oxiracetam seemed alright. However, the pyritinol seemed off. Before thinking about it, he took his normal 400mg dose of pyritinol and went out for a mountain bike ride. Within 15-20 minutes he was getting a weird euphoria and detachment. After another couple minutes, his memory gets very fuzzy.
Eventually his sister found him in the garage in a manic/psychotic state. He was biting his lips very hard, shaking, and holding his fists tight. Eventually he went into seizures when the paramedics came. He was taken to the hospital and seized again while waiting for th…
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liftmode · 8 points
Re: dissociation, nystagmus, hallucinations (including http://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/11iqlk/first_day_ever_on_nootropics_had_a_very_bad/): "First time, I took it with a bunch of other noots. Slammed into me like a freight train at the one hour mark, I literally puked hard and started tripping. The effect was so profound I started hearing voices outside my window, started seeing hallucinations that I was pretty sure were not real, lost my balance, and started worrying about brain damage. Not acid level trip, but still really uncomfortable and weird. Voices were like something out of Pink Floyd, disconnected women, talking about random things, but right outside my second story window. What a trip. Large greyscale Chinese dragons flying around behind my eyes. Didn't regain my balance for a few days, didn't drive for two days." / "I spent the entire morning feeling like I was having an out-of-body experience. I quite literally felt like I was floating outside of myself, and it was very much like a dream ... Second time, morning dose with some other stuff really didn't do much, but after the afternoon dose by itself, I lost it hard. Lost my willingness to drive, lost my sense of balance again for a few days, and started seeing black and white trippy movies in my head the first day. I knew I was tripping, so I could turn it off, but it was a really weird experience. Ag…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
Memantine is an interesting idea. However, it has a bitter taste, and leaves a cooling sensation where it touches. The compound in question is more like a burnt plastic chemical taste. We actually have bulk memantine coming in for Ceretropic, so I could compare the two substances.
6-APB is probably not it, as that tastes more like bitter red wine. Also, 400mg of that would cause serotonin syndrome, which he did not have.
Bromantane is also interesting, as it is highly lipophilic. There is not really any info on taste, so I am not sure on that. Not much information on seizures either. However, given the mechanisms I could see it happening.
3-MEO-PCP is another that I did not think of. I'm not sure about its lipophilicity.
MXE is lipophilic, but metallic tasting.
I had never even heard of Benocyclidine till now.
I would think that large doses of any of the piperazines would cause serotonin syndrome. Also, BZP is not very lipophilic, and has a sour taste.
5-(2-Aminopropyl)indole tastes more bitter, similar to amphetamine. Not to mention 400mg would surely kill you.