Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · Ceretropic
Cerebral Health Pyritinol Test Results (WARNING)
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 491 points
Many of you may remember the issue that came up with Cerebral Health/Bioscience Nutraceuticals a few months ago, where their choline bitartrate was numbing people's mouths. After sending those samples in to the lab, the tests came back negative for choline bitartrate. We suspected it was choline salacylate, but decided further testing to ascertain the exact compound would not be worth the cost. Unfortunately that was not the last issue to come from Cerebral Health.
A few weeks ago, another Redditor placed an order pyritinol from CH, along with some alpha GPC and oxiracetam. When the order arrived, both the alpha GPC and oxiracetam seemed alright. However, the pyritinol seemed off. Before thinking about it, he took his normal 400mg dose of pyritinol and went out for a mountain bike ride. Within 15-20 minutes he was getting a weird euphoria and detachment. After another couple minutes, his memory gets very fuzzy.
Eventually his sister found him in the garage in a manic/psychotic state. He was biting his lips very hard, shaking, and holding his fists tight. Eventually he went into seizures when the paramedics came. He was taken to the hospital and seized again while waiting for th…
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My_6th_Throwaway · 9 points
I will reiterate my points.
The chinese laboratories that was the main source for the plentiful research chemicals that were available three years ago have been shut down, a very small number have moved underground, but for the bulk of them it simply was not worth the huge risk.
MDPV is not the only one of the cathinone class that is now scheduled, in fact a majority of them are. Naphyrone is just one chemical that was picked out of a hat after the bans to call the stuff they already had, I know most of the remaining network and finding a true sample of Naphyrone is very hard.
And we come back to basic economics it. Why would you substitute something common and not terribly expensive like pyritinol with something very rare and expensive like a cathinone derivative. That is not how cutting works, you give something cheaper in place of the intended product to drive up profet, not the other way around.
Frankly you jumping to the conclusion of research chemicals being the cause with little other evidence than the person had a bad reaction and that you have a feeling about it, without addressing any of the reasons that I pointed out that it likely is not a research chemical, smells of sensationalism. Something that is completely unnecessary in this case, as something bad did happen and it resulted from the misrepresentation of a product, that is a big enough deal in of itself w…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
Again, I am not saying it's MDPV. In fact, I assure you it is not MDPV. It's lipophilic and has a taste like burnt plastic. That is not what MDPV is like. However, it is what buphedrone and naphyrone are like. Pair that with the symptoms it caused, and there are only so many substances it could be.
Find me one substance that is lipophilic, tastes like burnt plastic, causes euphoria and disassociation, causes seizures in high doses, and causes rolling nystagmus. The only thing I can come up with is a substituted cathinone. This is not some sexy scenario. This is the only one I can think of.
I have stated over and over again that this is speculation until we get the results back. However, speculating based on the evidence is all we can do until then. Also, naphyrone is not hard to acquire. I found a Chinese source for it earlier today. They also told me the could get me MDPV if I wanted it. This is obviously not something done on purpose, so analyzing the economics of it doesn't make any sense. Cerebral Health would not knowingly sell an RC as pyritiniol. It had to be an oversight.