Cerebral Health Pyritinol Test Results (WARNING)

Comment · Wed, September 18, 2013 · 5 pts

Generally all the vendors have been welcoming; at least the ones that respond to me. Some of us are even talking about ways we can work together. So far I have not had any issues with vendors being upset that I am involv

Comment · Wed, September 18, 2013 · 5 pts

I always state that any postulation about the specific substance is not verified until we get the full results. However, given all the physical properties of the powder, and the effects that it induced, there are only so

Comment · Wed, September 18, 2013 · 18 pts

My pleasure. I'll bring up the flair with the other moderators.

Comment · Wed, September 18, 2013 · 8 pts

Keep in mind we don't know for sure if it is a substituted cathinone yet. The dancesafe test will confirm it. However, it is very scary when you think about it.

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 5 pts

I think most of the readers there are /r/Nootropics readers as well.

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 1 pts

We've already proven they are stupid. Just read his responses to me on Longecity. I don't think they knowingly did this. It has to be an oversight. Perhaps from their Chinese supplier, or their own.

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 5 pts

I was actually linked your thread by another Redditor a few hours ago. That is very interesting! Do you remember what it tasted like? Any other details of the effects?

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 7 pts

Again, I am not saying it's MDPV. In fact, I assure you it is not MDPV. It's lipophilic and has a taste like burnt plastic. That is not what MDPV is like. However, it is what buphedrone and naphyrone are like. Pair that

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 2 pts

Well I was using MDPV in that sense to mean whatever cathinone derivative it is. I should have worded it better. I just knew nobody would know what I was talking about if I said naphyrone or buphedrone. His pulse was de

Comment · Thu, September 19, 2013 · 4 pts

Memantine is an interesting idea. However, it has a bitter taste, and leaves a cooling sensation where it touches. The compound in question is more like a burnt plastic chemical taste. We actually have bulk memantine com

Comment · Fri, September 20, 2013 · 12 pts

I agree, a powder can be anything. Some things are deadly at much lower doses than 400mg.

Comment · Fri, September 20, 2013 · 1 pts

Yeah, I figured as much. Plus, he was definitely stimulated. High doses of memantine would not do that. The disassociation was a secondary, and less intense effect.

Comment · Mon, September 23, 2013 · 3 pts

This is very concerning. I was wondering why more people had not had issues with it. Now it looks to be that there were, but people thought they were just having bad reactions to pyritinol. Nobody thought that it might b

Comment · Mon, September 23, 2013 · 4 pts

Definitely keep that sample. I'll keep you updated on what happens.

Comment · Mon, September 23, 2013 · 4 pts

Keep in mind that the post 11 months ago was a different batch. I have spoken to both Redditors about it, and the expiration dates on the bags are different. So they might not even be the same substances. Also, I have s

Comment · Tue, September 24, 2013 · 1 pts

Two other Redditors have come forward saying they had issues with other batches of CH pyritinol in the past year. It looks like it is not an isolated incident.

Comment · Tue, September 24, 2013 · 11 pts

I just commented. I can't understand how people can just write this whole thing off so easily...

Comment · Wed, September 25, 2013 · 12 pts

I personally sent in the choline sample, and it immediately made your mouth go numb. It was definitely not choline bitartrate. Zombiechalmers ordered and sent the pyritinol sample in. Not to mention, there are other repo

Comment · Fri, September 27, 2013 · 9 pts

I understand the psychology behind it. However, I have worked very hard with my own thinking to try and eliminate that bias. If someone approaches me with information that is contrary to my withheld beliefs, I first look

Comment · Fri, September 27, 2013 · 4 pts

Yes, that was exactly my fear as well. A public lawsuit will bring a lot of unwanted attention from the FDA. It could even have very real and lasting effects on our community. Unfortunately, this Redditor is going to hav

Comment · Fri, September 27, 2013 · 2 pts

Yes, actual MDPV would probably have killed. I used it in the place of what I really meant, which was naphyrone or buphedrone. I knew nobody would know what those were. Perhaps I should have been more clear in my stateme

Comment · Mon, September 30, 2013 · 2 pts

There most definitely could. Lawyers are being contacted.

Comment · Mon, September 30, 2013 · 0 pts

Nootrabiolabs is also located in Florida. Who knows, perhaps they know each other and share sources. Perhaps they are the same people...

Comment · Wed, October 2, 2013 · 1 pts

That is what the FAQ is attempting to do with the trusted vendor list. However, there is always room for improvement. I might think up some kind of interactive site that can help. It would have to be easy and concise, bu

Comment · Wed, October 2, 2013 · 6 pts

Good work! I had a feeling they were the same. I have a feeling he has a research chemical business as well. I don't have any proof yet. However, that would make sense. Many times Chinese suppliers send you things they k

Comment · Fri, October 4, 2013 · 4 pts

If this is a coincidence, then it's a pretty damn big one. Nootrabiolabs' website is registered to an address in Florida that is just down the street as the one listed as Cerebral Health's main address on their FDA non-

Comment · Fri, October 4, 2013 · 4 pts

True. However, Steve Jobs never lived in the same house as Bill Gates, or had his official mail delivered to Bill's house. Perhaps they were in business together in the beginning, then split. Perhaps they were dating, th

Comment · Fri, October 4, 2013 · 3 pts

I just responded. This is getting interesting!

Comment · Fri, October 4, 2013 · 2 pts

Thanks! We've known about that issue for a while. I am actually discussing it indirectly on Longecity right now.

Comment · Fri, October 4, 2013 · 4 pts

I've been pretty insistent with him. I'm not sure if he's used to that. It seems most people just drop it, or back off when he bring up pseudo-legal threats. This incessant back and forth is getting annoying, though. It'

Comment · Tue, October 8, 2013 · 0 pts

Keep in mind he was not thinking straight, due to the seizures. He said it took a couple weeks before he was thinking somewhat clearly again. Two other people have come forward saying they had bad reactions to Cerebral

Comment · Wed, October 9, 2013 · 2 pts

You're suggesting that every single moderator of /r/Nootropics is in business together, and is plotting to consolidate the industry into a duopoly?

Comment · Thu, October 10, 2013 · 3 pts

We thought of that right away. That is why another moderator ordered some from them, so we would have two samples. We will know what the substance is eventually. If I had a gas chromatograph I would test it myself.

Comment · Thu, October 10, 2013 · 0 pts

Please, by all means post your story. This does not seem to be an isolated incident. Do you still have the pyritinol?

Comment · Fri, October 11, 2013 · 3 pts

Nootrabiolabs is not the same as Cerebral Health. It is run by an ex girlfriend of the owner of Cerebral Health. They no longer have any business relationship with each other. She cleared that up with me on Longecity.

Comment · Thu, October 17, 2013 · 1 pts

I knew there had to be more people out there. It's just that nobody thinks something like this could happen. They just figure they had a bad reaction to pyritinol.

Comment · Mon, October 21, 2013 · 4 pts

It is out of my hands now. Other legal entities have taken over, and have asked me to let them handle it.

Comment · Fri, November 8, 2013 · 2 pts

The delay was due to lawyers asking me to step back, since they were handling it. However, there have been a few changes, so Nootropics Depot has agreed to FTIR for us. So we should have more info soon.

Comment · Sat, November 9, 2013 · 2 pts

Nootropics Depot has agreed to FTIR the samples for us. I found spectra graphs for the most likely candidates for what I think it might be, naphyrone or buphedrone. If it doesn't match up to either of those, we can branc