Comment · Wed, April 30, 2025 · ND Owner
Sleep Support combined with Tauromag and Magnesium Glycinate
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shellvin1234 · 3 points
Hey guys,
I have taken Tauromag and Magnesium glycinate before bed and it has been decent for sleep so far. I was considering adding Sleep Support (because of neuroprotective effects) along with the Tauromag and Magnesium glycinate. Is this overkill?
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ProperBeat · 2 points
Statements from the suppliers in China that supply them.
Interesting. How do you know who their suppliers are? Who are they? And why would they give away these kinds of details about their customers and their own mo? That makes little sense to me.
I quote from Oriveda's website:
>Oriveda C+ blends 66.6 % Cordyceps CS-4 mycelium extract and 33.4% Cordyceps militaris (CM) fruiting body extract into one product.
// Extracted using hot water followed by alcohol precipitation
All the cordycepin comes from the 33% militaris, meaning the militaris extract they use must have around 3% of cordycepin. They also specify the adenosine levels. The ratio between cordycepin and adenosine is inverted; usually adenosine dominates in a 2:1 or even higher ratio. Here, there's more cordycepin.
That could mean you're right, they spiked the extract with synthetic cordycepin although the relatively low price doesn't seem to reflect that.
I asked Deepseek for help and after much back and forth (it's a great tool!!) here's the outcome:
Why Synthetic Cordycepin is Unlikely
Cost: As discussed earlier, synthetic cordycepin would make the product prohibitively expensive ($10+/capsule). Oriveda’s pricing aligns with natural extraction.
HPLC Proof: The chromatogram shows natural fungal metabolites, not a pure cordycepin spike.
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Most C. militaris supplements have:
Lower cordyce…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Interesting. How do you know who their suppliers are? Who are they? And why would they give away these kinds of details about their customers and their own mo? That makes little sense to me.
We work with pretty much everyone in the background. This included both US vendors and most of the Chinese ones. We also have very good relationships many of them, and are very open and honest with them, so they are very open and honest with us. We do a lot of work on the science side of the industry. We have partnerships with a bunch of people you would be very surprised to hear about. We almost always have NDAs, too. So I can't just publicly share all the info. However, we get more inside info on what is going on in the industry than pretty much everyone because of our unique position and relationships.
All the cordycepin comes from the 33% militaris, meaning the militaris extract they use must have around 3% of cordycepin. They also specify the adenosine levels. The ratio between cordycepin and adenosine is inverted; usually adenosine dominates in a 2:1 or even higher ratio. Here, there's more cordycepin.
That would make sense, as I have never seen CS-4 making cordycepin. It's also the militaris that the Chinese suppliers are spiking with cordycepin.
That could mean you're right, they spiked the extract with synthetic cordycepin although the relatively low price doesn't seem to reflect that.
You think 60 servings for $73 is relatively low price? We are working with some of the biggest brands in the industry, and they want ingredients that are good, but are VERY price sensitive. Price always decides in the end. We have always been able to make the most potent products in the industry. However, a lot of the time that means they are too expensive for most brands to use in their products. My work in Canada is an attempt to increase the bioactives, but keep pricing very competitive, which would be the best of both worlds if we can pull it off.
You are also correct in saying that 3% cordycepin is reachable without synthetic corydycepin. It just means doing a targeted extraction. My main point was that we were trying to reach that NATIVELY, without any extraction at all. Also, the idea that you can use adenosine ratios as an indicator of whether spiking has happened is not really true, either. We have found that adenosine varies a lot from product-to-product, and it doesn't directly correlate to cordycepin levels. We have seen batches with high native cordycepin, but low or non-existent adenosine. They also have different solubilities, so they will not coming over equally in all extractions. Again, my main point wasn't about synthetic cordycepin. It is happening in China currently. However, whether the current Oriveda retail product has spiked synthetic cordycepin, or if they are just using a targeted extract, it doesn't really matter. Our goal on the grow optimization side is to get very high levels of cordycepin natively in the grow process, while keeping costs low and production in North America, to supply all the big brands out there. Oriveda sells retail products. They don't supply ingredients to other brands, or work on the science in the background on the industry side. Eventually that is likely going to be what we focus on most, if not solely, rather than selling retail products. I would rather just supply all the brands with high quality ingredients than play in the shady retail side of the industry.