Comment · Sun, June 19, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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MessageReceiv3d · 2 points
I was thinking of doing something similar but with manufacturers; come out with a website or something that tells businesses and consumers who the REAL manufacturers are out there, vs. the many, many brokers and middlemen who market themselves as manufacturers when they most assuredly aren't. This is also a gigantic issue in the supplement manufacturing industry.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Yeah, that is a big issue. Most people don't realize that the big manufacturers often don't want to, or completely refuse to, work directly with brands that are not massive. If you get them to agree to, they make you purchase an entire production run. We've had production runs before that cost us $500K just for the raw material, because the manufacturer would only sell the entire synthesis yield to us. However, we had to do that because we wanted them to synthesize it in a very specific way. Most brands can't afford that, so they have to go through middle men that can sell smaller amounts of pre-made synths.
Don't even get me started on the contract manufacturing side of the industry... To say it is bad is underselling it. It's really really bad. Also, these contract manufacturers have fake dry labs they use to give fake COAs saying things are correct and pure. That's a MASSIVE problem in the industry right now. When I first started out in this industry a decade ago, I had to teach people to ask for COAs and lab testing. I am proud that it has become more common these days. However, now I have to educate people on the pitfalls of dry labs and shitty chemistry. Seeing a number on a page is meaningless unless the number is accurate, precise, and validated using proper chemistry.