Comment · Wed, May 31, 2023 · ND Owner
I don’t know how other supplement subs are still able to badmouth ND
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skyhighblue340 · 39 points
I came across this post on the NMN sub:
I cannot believe some of the quackery on here. ND has gone far and above to prove their purity… but even despite that a lot of people are making unfounded claims. The OP himself even said the NMN worked but thought maybe it was laced with something else for the energy.
What they were answering
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u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
LOL, /r/NMN is shilled to shit. I have tagged so many Renue/ABS shills over the years. I just went on one of the current posts on there asking which NMN vendor is best, and there are THREE Renue shills suggesting them in the comments on one post! The ironic thing is that the thing everyone accuses me of (shilling), we don't actually do, and it's what we see our competitors doing most. We had a whole group of Renue shills trying to post shit here on our sub about a year ago, till I found all their accounts and banned them. I've found like 20 so far. It's ridiculous! Bulk Supplements has a bunch, too. Just go on their sub and click through the profiles of the "totally not shill" accounts commenting and posting.
Moreover, our competitors have been caught using completely fake dry labs for years. I've called it out so many times. Luckily one of the big ones recently shut down, so that's one less to worry about. However, I have a feeling they just changed names once the heat got too high. There's no way they just changed their ways and decided they were pieces of shit that should stop defrauding people. They just realized their name was burned after I called them out so many times. I also reported them to the FDA, so maybe they did something that we haven't seen publicly. Who knows. However, they were just one fake lab out of many in the US. They are all over the place. Then you have the labs that are just shitty.
Maybe they have improved since the warnings, but we have seen inconsistencies with the lab methods they reference on their COAs. They are also not ISO certified for the testing they are doing for NMN. You pair that with the fact they have been cited by the FDA in the past for not following ISO and FDA guidelines, and I wouldn't trust shit from them. As I have said before, 3rd party just mean "someone other than me." It doesn't mean valid and correct. I love how all our competitors talk about the lab that took me almost 10 years to build, and many millions of dollars, as a bad thing... just because they are incapable or unwilling to build their own. We've had three separate ISO audits now with perfect scores. "Huur duur, they don't do 3rd party testing!" Uhh, yes we do! We fucking partner with other labs you scientifically illiterate, morally bankrupt, propaganda promoting pieces of shit! Other labs fucking COME TO US to help them with their testing, and we have them help us with stuff we can't currently do. To act like anyone in this industry is even close to what we are doing is laughable. I have more scientists in my lab than some of these competitors have employees in their entire company. We're doing lab testing for NIST for products we don't even sell, because we are passionate about the science and chemistry. We are basically a lab that funds itself by selling products.
We have been around for almost 10 years now. I have picked fights with literally almost everyone over the years. I've called out so many bad actors and brands, it's nuts. I've been a lightning rod at times, with death threats and all sorts of shit happening to me because I try to hold other brands accountable. You would think if we were selling fake, impure, or laced products, someone would have tested and called us out by now! I know competitors have tried. It's tough when everything is what we claim it to be, and we are the only ones holding things to the standards we are. So what you are left with are lies and propaganda from jealous competitors who know that's the only way they can set themselves apart. Our shit speaks for itself. They should build their own labs, do their own science, and release their own results if they have confidence in themselves. I've even seen people on Reddit that hate me for whatever reason, but still say I am the one they would want samples sent to for testing, because it is indisputable my passion for lab testing and quality control.
Listen, I understand that my style of dealing with people and companies on Reddit might not be the most diplomatic. I might not be making many friends in the industry. I might even be making tons of enemies. However, I don't give one flying fucking rats ass about making friends with people that put consumers at risk by not doing proper lab testing and quality control. So we get shit on a lot by the people I have rubbed the wrong way over the past decade. We get shilled against, while at the same time being accused of shilling ourselves. Whole conspiracy theories are made up about myself and my company. Ohh well. It would be a lot easier if I just played the game like everyone else, and kept my head down and stayed diplomatic with people. I ain't going to do that, though. You know why? Because FUCK THEM, that's why!