Comment · Thu, June 30, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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OptimalPreparation · 2 points
Off-topic but what do I ask companies when I'm trying to figure out whether or not their liposomes are legit? Electron microscope images? Are you saying that even companies like LivOn don't actually have liposomes in their products? I have a hard time believing that most companies will just mix their active ingredients with lecithin without even attempting to sonicate it. Then again, you do know best and are privy to how the industry actually works.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
You need to ask to seem SEM/TEM data showing the liposomal particles were formed around the actives. Then you need to ask for DLS data showing that the average particle size meets specs.
Are you saying that even companies like LivOn don't actually have liposomes in their products? I have a hard time believing that most companies will just mix their active ingredients with lecithin without even attempting to sonicate it.
I have not tested their products specifically, but not a single vendor or manufacturer has been able to give me scientific proof that they properly formed liposomes. LivOn's products are in liquid form, so it is more likely they might be actually liposomal than some others. The products I am specifically calling out are selling capsules and tablets and calling them liposomal. Still, I would need to see some actual data from LivOn to believe it. They make a big deal about being the first supplement company to ever do it, so they should be more than willing to share that lab data to proudly show their properly-formed liposomal particles.