Comment · Wed, June 22, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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MessageReceiv3d · 6 points
I responded to this, but I don't see the reply here. weird. Anyway, I'll try this again...
full transparency, I'm a sales manager for a contract manufacturer. Obviously, some manufacturers are different than others, but you're right in that many don't want to work with smaller brands. The "MOQ" (minimum order quantity) issue is a big one, and the reason why is that it essentially costs the same for a manufacturer, overhead-wise, to run 500 bottles as it does to run 500,000 bottles. All of the set-up costs for a run, labor, overhead, all of the SOP's for each run (cleaning is a big one) are similar. So with profitability, good manufacturers really try to balance out their MOQ and take all factors into consideration. And yes, many of the larger ones who think they're god's gift to the industry will refuse to bow down to a smaller MOQ.
MYASD, I'm sure you likely understand (but what many brands and consumers don't necessarily know) is that manufacturing is incredibly expensive. Insanely expensive. Especially if you have a full lab in-house, which you already know the costs there! So when some smaller brands come to us and say "why can't you just run 200 bottles?" it's not a fun conversation to have, but there really is a good reason.
My main frustration is with the VAST, vast amount of brokers and middle-men out there, that aren't even manufacturers at ALL. They fl…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
For sure. I totally get the MOQ thing for a contract manufacturer. It's a pain in the ass to do production runs. Doing them for small amounts of units just doesn't make sense. There are also a lot of shitty contract manufacturers out there cutting corners and bidding low, which makes the good ones seem expensive. You are right, doing things right is very expensive. A lot of that expense just doesn't make sense unless amortized out over larger runs.
That's good to know on the middle man thing in the contract manufacturing space, too. I didn't know that was a thing, but I am not surprised. It's a big thing in the raw material supplier side of things, so it being the same in the contract manufacturing side makes sense. It's the same in most industries, it seems. It's REALLY bad in the card processing industry. There are multiple layers of middle men there. It's absolutely insane!
Glad to hear our efforts are appreciated, and that there are good guys out there. I know there are, but it can get disheartening when you are constantly dealing with the bad ones.