Comment · Fri, June 24, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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MessageReceiv3d · 2 points
I totally agree that there needs to be more safeguards. But tbh, certifications are also a big business and QAI wants to profit just like everyone else. NSF and others \should\ have very strict rules about being able to put up their logo on a website, and what you CAN say versus what you CANNOT (or what you can't IMPLY). If you're certified to \warehouse\ and not manufacture, then it should say specifically on there. They know - they HAVE TO know - but they apparently just don't care. they know all of these broker entities are flat-out lying to consumers and brands and using THEIR logo for credibility. But QAI gets $10-15k per certification, so why would they take steps towards more transparency? It's quite honestly disgusting. In my experience NSF is one of the worst. I've seen them flat-out refuse certifications to actual manufacturers (who are good, legit co-man's that do everything right) but they'll continue to certify brokers for "warehousing." It's seriously mind-blowing, the more you know. If we connected offline, I could tell you some stories!
Honestly, just knowing that there are still \some\ good people in the industry is what keeps me sane. Something needs to be done though, because there is certainly a real future where dietary supplements in the US are controlled like prescription drugs are.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Ohh man, I didn't even think about getting NSF for some rando thing not dealing with manufacturing, then saying you are NSF certified as a manufacturing facility... Again, I shouldn't be surprised. I'm just disappointed. It's very similar to labs getting ISO certified for testing heavy metals and vitamin C, then going out and doing all sorts of advanced botanical assays that they have no business doing, but saying they are ISO certified. Actually adding things to your ISO scope takes a lot of validation work. It's an expensive and time-consuming pain in the ass. I am glad we went through all the work to have a flexible scope added to our ISO cert for botanical identification. We saw Alkemist have it and decided to go through getting it ourselves. We had to prove that we were capable and rigorous in our methods for developing new botanical ID methods, which allowed them to certify us to test any botanical for ID on HP-TLC. You can't get a flexible scope for botanical assay, though. It's too complex and varied, so you need to do the work to run validation studies on each assay, then add each one to the scope one by one. Doing things the right way is always more complex than most people realize!