Comment · Wed, June 22, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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MessageReceiv3d · 6 points
Oh, the middle-man thing is GIGANTIC in the contract manufacturing space. These guys will do everything they need to in order to make it seem like they are actual manufacturers - up to and including putting videos and pictures of manufacturing machinery on their site (that aren't theirs, of course) and saying that they have all of these manufacturing certifications - including NSF, Organic, etc. But when you actually look into it, their certifications are only for warehousing and not manufacturing. But if the layman visits their impressive websites, you would NEVER know unless you knew. It used to be as easy as seeing if their address had a "suite" or "unit" number in it - in which case they'd definitely never be able to be in a larger manufacturing space. but these brokers have wisened up to that now, and have either changed addresses or moved into larger spaces. Sometimes it's still easy to look at their address on google Earth and say "okay in this small building, these guys are supposed to be able to have a full manufacturing facility for tablets, capsules powders and more? no way." But they're getting smarter every day... all to flat-out lie to brands and clients. I've been in their buildings, I know these guys, and it's disgusting. Every liar in the supplement industry needs to be blacklisted.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Man, I wish I could say I was surprised... Even still, I get disappointed when I learn about some new shady part of this industry. It almost makes me feel dirty even being a part of it. Like I am trying to change it, but knowing that this stuff is so rampant in the industry makes me almost ashamed to say I am a part of it. I am not surprised on the ISO/NSF/cGMP stuff. Actually getting ISO or NSF certified for a full scope is very difficult and expensive. The procedures and documentation that goes into it can be nuts. I guess it is just easier to lie to everyone about it. I wish there was more we could do to stop fraud like that.