Comment · Mon, April 11, 2022 · ND Owner
Sigma - New supplement containing Tongkat Ali made in collaboration with A.Huberman.
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RPher · 51 points
Here is the video presentation by More Plates More Dates, the guy who also sells Turkesterone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqI0XEoWes
This is not advertising. I only trust ND products. The reason I'm posting this is because I'm well aware that ND Tongkat Ali is the only one on the market that actually contains a verified and significant amount of Eurycomanone.
But now, there is this new product associated with a big name like A.Huberman. And I would feel very disappointed that even a well respected name like him would be associated with a supplement that contains a crappy Tongkat Ali extract...
So I'm curious, u/NootropicsDepotGuru u/Pretty-Chill u/misteryouaresodumb, what do you think of the formulation of this product ? How likely is it that it contains a legit dose of Eurycomanone? And if you had to make a Natrium Testosterone Booster, what would you do differently ?
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[deleted] · 5 points
I feel like Derek should know better. Any PED user, let alone supplement business owner, knows the importance of third party testing and not just solely trusting the supplier or manufacturer that you are getting what they claim you’re getting. Unless he really somehow found the only Turk supplier and is buying out the market.
This could be a case of willful ignorance, or a case of him biting off more than he can chew and he can’t keep up.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
The main problem is that things are much more complicated than anyone thinks. People want to have things be right. They don't want things to be wrong or fraudulent. 99% of people approach problems from a position of wanting everything to work out. Nobody wants to feel skeptical. It's not a fun emotion to constantly have inside you. Trust me, I am a massive ball of stress right now because of it. So people automatically view a situation from a position of: "It should work out okay," because the alternative is frustrating, motivation-sapping, and demoralizing. However, the issue is THAT'S OUR JOB!!! We chose to be part of this industry, so we chose to take on that responsibility on behalf of consumers. We build businesses around these things, so it is our duty to be the skeptical ones. It's our job to take on the stresses of things to ensure consumers get what we are claiming to sell them. However, most people in this industry don't want to make it better. They want to profit off of it. So going beyond the industry standard doesn't make sense to them. Why would I make my life ten times harder when nobody else in this industry is doing anything better? It's so much easier to make money in this industry if you just do what everyone else is doing. Doing what we do isn't just harder... it's impossible for most of the supplement brands out there. They just don't have the capabilities or will to see it through. The prevailing thought is: "Why should I be a martyr when even worse actors are making money hand over fist in this industry?"
I've often asked myself that question. Is all this shit that I have gone through for almost a decade now going to change anything in the long run? Does anyone else even care what I am going through to try and change this industry? Sometimes I feel like the answer to those questions is no. Sometimes I feel like giving up and moving on. My personal mental health would certainly be better if I did. However, then I get a private message saying what we have done has literally changed someones life. I get an email or message saying they would be dead right now if it were not for my help and all the work we have put into things. As someone that almost took my life on a number of occasions in the past, these messages really hit home with me. This really is the only thing that helps me to actually push through the hurdles in the background... and trust me, there are a lot of things going on in the background that I do not speak about publicly. Without the knowledge that we really are doing something good for everyone, I probably would have given up a long time ago. It's not easy. It can be downright demoralizing at times. However, knowing that we are doing good helps to keep focusing on the mission. For other players in this space that don't have that emotional connection, it can be a lot easier to cut corners and follow what all the other bad actors in the space are doing. I just know the stakes are a lot higher than most people realize, and I feel it is my moral obligation to see our mission through.