Comment · Mon, April 11, 2022 · ND Owner
Sigma - New supplement containing Tongkat Ali made in collaboration with A.Huberman.
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RPher · 51 points
Here is the video presentation by More Plates More Dates, the guy who also sells Turkesterone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqI0XEoWes
This is not advertising. I only trust ND products. The reason I'm posting this is because I'm well aware that ND Tongkat Ali is the only one on the market that actually contains a verified and significant amount of Eurycomanone.
But now, there is this new product associated with a big name like A.Huberman. And I would feel very disappointed that even a well respected name like him would be associated with a supplement that contains a crappy Tongkat Ali extract...
So I'm curious, u/NootropicsDepotGuru u/Pretty-Chill u/misteryouaresodumb, what do you think of the formulation of this product ? How likely is it that it contains a legit dose of Eurycomanone? And if you had to make a Natrium Testosterone Booster, what would you do differently ?
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[deleted] · 4 points
You should reach out to Derek from MPMD and talk about his sourcing for his products and the efficacy of his formula, because if he wants to pride himself on lowest effective doses, scientific standards, and third-party tested and sourced materials, then he needs someone bigger in the industry to put him in his place if he's fucking up.
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I followed him a lot for his PED and endocrinology stuff, but I feel like he is overstepping his bounds and profiting off of ignorance even more-so now, that or other people in the industry are using him to sell bullshit products and ingredients, just as you mentioned you've experienced.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
I do want to preface that while my tone can be very direct, and my frustration with the bad actors in this can make me very blunt, I realize that some people may just be ignorant of what it takes to make things right. That's no excuse in my mind, but I do admit that many people are not willfully putting people in harms way or defrauding them. They just don't know what they don't know, and that results in what we see in the market. Again, that is not a legitimate excuse by any means, as business owners take on the responsibility of educating themselves on how things should be done when they jump into the business. Willful ignorance is not a defense. However, it is certainly better than willful deception. I would prefer not to make enemies in this industry, and would hope the people in this industry genuinely trying to do good, but who are just ignorant of what it takes to get there, would recognize that and change their ways.
That being said, as you can probably tell from my response and tone, I am just sick and tired of this shit now. I have been doing this almost ten years. Ten years of yelling and screaming to anyone that will listen that this industry needs to change. Ten years of watching shady vendor after shady vendor take advantage of people. Ten years of being attacked by said shady vendors for calling them out. Ten years of people saying I am just lying/biased and trying to sell more product. I have dedicated over a decade of my life to trying to make this industry better, and I really am just all out of fucks to give.