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Comment · Mon, April 11, 2022 · ND Owner

Sigma - New supplement containing Tongkat Ali made in collaboration with A.Huberman.

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RPher · 51 points

Here is the video presentation by More Plates More Dates, the guy who also sells Turkesterone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqI0XEoWes

This is not advertising. I only trust ND products. The reason I'm posting this is because I'm well aware that ND Tongkat Ali is the only one on the market that actually contains a verified and significant amount of Eurycomanone.

But now, there is this new product associated with a big name like A.Huberman. And I would feel very disappointed that even a well respected name like him would be associated with a supplement that contains a crappy Tongkat Ali extract...

So I'm curious, u/NootropicsDepotGuru u/Pretty-Chill u/misteryouaresodumb, what do you think of the formulation of this product ? How likely is it that it contains a legit dose of Eurycomanone? And if you had to make a Natrium Testosterone Booster, what would you do differently ?

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NomadW20771 · 1 points

e, because I thought he was trying to do good, and get good scientific data out there. He has a platform that he can spread good with, while also still making money.... You don't NEED to sell bullshit to make money. It's easier, sure. However, you can hold scientific integrity high and still make money. I actually purposely try to not let myself feel anything bu

There are a lot worse than Gorilla Mind in the supplement industry. There is also a lot better (more specialized in herbs) with FDA & Third-Party Test. Like Double Wood Supplements for example

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner

Hahahahahahaha! Double Wood is not good... They don't properly test their products, and we have tested a TON of their shit that has failed. It was two brothers that started a brand out of their parent's house in Pennsylvania. They don't have facilities of their own, and they use the shittiest contract manufacturers out there to make their stuff. Their COAs are laughable! They don't even assay the shit. They use "by input" as the assay for their capsules... So their verification that what they claim on the label is in there is: "Yeah, that's what we put in there! Trust us!" Here, take a look at their "COA" for fisetin.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0756/3867/files/Fisetin_COA_-_1922_001.pdf?v=1622555783

They stopped saying "by input" when people called them out for how stupid that was. Now they say: "PPCS." That just means the same thing, but they made a fake acronym to trick people. This "COA" is also from their contract manufacturer Vita-Gen Labs. Look at this piece of shit facility they have!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/VITA-gen+Laboratories/@40.707149,-73.350119,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x1f400b5d901e8231!8m2!3d40.707149!4d-73.350119

Look at this garbage facility...

https://imgur.com/a/WdauhOm

So no 3rd party lab testing. The COAs are from the shitty contract manufacturers they use, and use no real testing of any kind. They just say: "That's how much we put in the capsules. Trust us, bro." Any lab testing that they do have is from shitty non-ISO certified labs that we have proven are sending fake or inaccurate results. Double Wood is not just not good. They are horrible.

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