Comment · Fri, April 8, 2022 · ND Owner
Sigma - New supplement containing Tongkat Ali made in collaboration with A.Huberman.
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RPher · 51 points
Here is the video presentation by More Plates More Dates, the guy who also sells Turkesterone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqI0XEoWes
This is not advertising. I only trust ND products. The reason I'm posting this is because I'm well aware that ND Tongkat Ali is the only one on the market that actually contains a verified and significant amount of Eurycomanone.
But now, there is this new product associated with a big name like A.Huberman. And I would feel very disappointed that even a well respected name like him would be associated with a supplement that contains a crappy Tongkat Ali extract...
So I'm curious, u/NootropicsDepotGuru u/Pretty-Chill u/misteryouaresodumb, what do you think of the formulation of this product ? How likely is it that it contains a legit dose of Eurycomanone? And if you had to make a Natrium Testosterone Booster, what would you do differently ?
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from_below · 10 points
Quite often, people in my family give me shit for having too many supplements on my shelves. Apparently I look like a crazy person. Not only do I look it, but some of these people are certain that I'm a full on hypochondriac. When I try to explain myself, at one point they'll always make a comment along the lines of "how can you trust these products?", "It's an unregulated industry, there could be nothing in them.", "It's just psychological", etcetera.
Sure enough, I have a really hard time explaining to them why I trust a random foreign company from the most capitalistic country on Earth, to deliver a product from a completely unregulated and shady industry, with what little money I have. I can't, really, so I get judged. But after reading posts like this one... I just know I'm right.
My deepest appreciation for u/MisterYouAreSoDumb and everyone on the ND team.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
I really appreciate the support! It's been a long hard journey for me to build all this. It's been a battle every step of the way. Nobody wants to hear the real hard truth about the science of it all. It's difficult and expensive to hold standards to the level they need to be. It's not just the cost of testing, either. If you start testing things the way we do, and holding things to the standards that we do, you have to reject shit all the time. It costs a ton of money on the lab side to test, but it costs even more money to go out of stock because you had to reject a whole batch. This is especially true for most of the other supplement companies out there that use contract manufacturers for everything. If you have a contract manufacturer make a 5 million capsule run of a supplement for you, and you run through the battery of testing we do to ensure the capsules were made properly, what happens when you discover they were not? You now have to reject a 5 million capsule run, and then fight with the contract manufacturer over it. You'll likely go out of stock on that product while you try to figure it out. So you pay for the whole run from them, and you pay a ton for the testing. You then have to reject it and have them rework it, or get new raw material in to do a new run. Then you have to pay the lab testing all over again. Hopefully the next batch passes, or you are rejecting another one. We test in-process, so no runs get to 5 million before we know exactly that the formulation was done right. People without in-house labs and in-house manufacturing can't do that, which is 95% of all supplement brands. They rely on the contract manufacturers to do it, and trust me... they are all shit. We have worked with a lot of them in the past. They fuck up ALL THE TIME. It's easier for brands to just not look under all the rocks, and just assume things were done right. If you pick up a rock and find a problem, you then have to either fix the problem, or you have to approve the batch knowing it is not right. It's easier for brands to just stay willfully ignorant instead.
I can't stress enough how difficult, time consuming, costly, and complex doing things right is. I am very glad that I have reached at least some people who trust us and what we are doing. It's not easy. It can be very frustrating and upsetting for me and my team putting all this work into making things perfect every single time, then watching our competitors defraud people and do absolutely nothing to ensure people's safety, and yet get more sales than we do. I need to do a better job of showing people just how different we are, and why people should care about these things as passionately as I do. It's a big thing we are going to be doing over the next 6 months. We are going to go into even more detail on the industry, process, testing, and do lots of videos in our lab and facility to help people start to see what I am talking about. Unless you see it, you would have no idea what goes into everything at Nootropics Depot. Our cGMP auditor that came in and certified us said we are in the top 10 cleanest and more organized facilities he has ever visited, and he has inspected thousands of facilities all over the world. Perfect scores on our cGMP and ISO certifications is not easy. I really do appreciate the deep support I have gotten from people on here over the years. That support keeps myself and everyone on the ND team pushing through all these hurdles, so thank you!