Comment · Wed, November 17, 2021 · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot
Moderators please clarify the rules on nootropic vendor recommendations
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labratdream · 64 points
It has come to my attention that recently user posts are deleted for nootropic vendor recommendation. It is a reasonable policy when vendors are using astroturfing or spamming however I've been asked dozens of times in comments and in private about the vendor or brand of the product I reviewed. It is unacceptable and very damaging to this community that it is allowed to mention nootropicsdepot, newmind and science.bio as well as big brands like now, swanson and jarrows while it is prohibited to recommend pglchem. And while I neither can assure the quality of his products nor I recommend the use of his shop, he is synthesizing some interesting compounds . One such compound is of particular importance to me, given my personal experience with certain nootropic derivatives of it like ones sold by newmind. I've been posting for years what I hope is valuable content including some rare scientific sources like this one stating that pemoline is more anti amnesic than stimulants in the screenshot, or even prl-8-53 which is touted by this sub as the ultimate memory enhancer. Also moderators should state sort of conflict of interests in…
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Debonaire_Death · 2 points
Two words: Streisand Effect
I haven't been around in awhile, but expect a norbinaltorphimine post from me soon, Meta.
I've heard that this sub has turned into Nootropics Depot's astroturf Chia Pet. Is there evidence to the contrary? Do you release data regarding what posts you censor and how you distinguish spam? Is there anything but blind faith to show that the moderation of this community is fair?
Who watches the watchmen?
I want to see if a genuine post from a legacy member of this sub who has been helped by PGLChem's products can survive your "spam filter", if that's what we're calling it.
I understand moderating a large community is no picnic, but "let the guilty walk that the innocent remain free," I say. I would hope a community built by the marginalized for the marginalized to discuss the cutting edge of cognitive enhancement--that helps damaged people come together and heal each other and become nodes of benefit for those around them--would embrace such an ethic, and let the people talk as much as they can.
If people want approved medications they can go to fucking Walgreens. /r/Nootropics was born by the freaks, and it will die by the freaks.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot
Come on, man. You've been around for a long time. People have said I have been shilling and astroturfing since I started Ceretropic in 2013. It's just as false today as it has always been. I am rarely even on /r/Nootropics anymore. I guess me literally not even posting here isn't enough to prevent claims of bias. I could delete my Reddit account altogether and there would still be claims of astroturfing and bias years later. There's literally nothing I can do to prevent people from making false claims about me or this sub. It's just a convenient scapegoat for competitors and people trying to manipulate others.
I am literally not involved in this PGLchem stuff at all. /u/sirsadalot is long time customer of ours, and we have talked many times via PM over the years. We have PMs that are massive walls of text spanning almost a year of back and forth on subjects. He's asked me for advice on start a supplement brand. He's written me for advice on his theories and pharmacological postulations. We have interacted with each other for a very long time. I was not involved in any of the stuff surrounding this PGLchem situation. I stayed completely out of it altogether, as I always do when I can't be unbiased. He even PMed me when it happened out of frustration, but I am not going to override the other mods on this sub. I pretty much stay out of almost everything these days. I'll pop in and provide info if I have it. Maybe I will give my opinion here or there, but that's it. I am almost exclusively hands-off in this sub these days because of stupid accusations about me made over the years. Even me removing myself as a mod and deleting my account wouldn't stop the stupid lies about me. There's literally nothing I can do to stop the disingenuous bullshit spread about us, or the asinine accusations that the other mods work for me. I guess we could add you as a moderator so you can go back through the moderation logs and see for yourself. However, once you saw for yourself and started to refute the BS claims, I would bet money on people then claiming you work for me, too! There would be no end in sight, because the fantasy that I am this all-controlling mastermind is a much more gripping tale than the reality of the situation. The elusive nature of some shadow conspiracy is much sexier sounding than a few dudes volunteering to try to keep this sub from devolving into anarchy.
To be perfectly honest, I wish this whole PGLchem thing hadn't happened at all. Post about it all you want. I literally don't give two shits about any of it. It just causes more headaches for me with people attacking me about something I am not even involved in. Somehow Nootropics Depot gets pulled into all these conversations when there is literally no reason for any of it. We are off doing our own thing on our own sub these days (which I created because people said it wasn't fair I was posting here all the time, I might add). So now that I am off focusing on a totally different sub, completely taking myself out of all these situations, I STILL GET PULLED BACK IN!!! It's like my own personal fucked up groundhog day that I keep get to live over and over and over again. It's never going to stop. I am always going to wake up to more posts claiming I am a puppet master controlling this whole industry by the strings. If I get involved, people say I am biased. If I stay completely out of it, people make up even wilder conspiracy theories in my absence. If ignore it, I get pulled back in or get constantly accused anyway. I would rather be putting up Christmas decorations right now than once again trying to say for the fucking thousandth time: NONE OF IT FUCKING INVOLVES ME!