Comment · Sun, January 5, 2020
Epicor or Immune Defence?
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yehyehwut · 5 points
Anyone tried either or both?
ID seems very comprehensive but does cost double Epicor.
I do not get sick often (once a year until recently) but I'm finding I can less afford to get sick, people around me get sick a lot which has been getting me sick lately and maybe I am getting hit harder as I get older.
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amemento · 2 points
You bought the Dreem 2? How does it compare to Oura? Did you use the sound function? What results did it show on nights with sleep stack vs without?
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb
I did! I have been using the Dreem 2 alongside my Oura ring for the last month. No sound function, as that is disabled in the US region; probably due to FDA regulations. I am going to do a more formal write up and comparison at some point, but I will summarize things a bit.
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Dreem 2 compared to Oura.
They are very similar in what they estimate on my sleep. I was surprised at how good of a job Oura does, actually. The general picture of your sleep patterns is very similar to the data on Dreem. Obviously it doesn't have an EEG, so some of the details are different. However, the overall picture is accurate. It under-reports deep sleep. That's the biggest difference I can see. The changes to my sleep patterns follow along exactly with Dreem, though. So Oura is a very good thing to monitor sleep quality changes. Just don't take the total time in each stage as gospel. Having both gives a fantastic picture of things, though.
The Oura app is more polished, that's for sure. I like the way Oura presents information a lot better than Dreem. Dreem can also do a better job of streamlining the Bluetooth connection. It takes me a few times to get it to connect. Also, the fact that I don't have to remember to tell Oura I am going to sleep is so much more convenient. With Dreem, you have to put on the headband, open the app, hit the button on the headband couple times, then once it connects to the app you have to tell it to start the night. With Oura, I don't do anything. It's on my finger and I can just fall asleep whenever/wherever and it knows. I can then adjust the actual times in the morning, if say I was laying on the couch before bed and I wanted to exclude that from my actual sleep time.
The Dreem 2 does give me information that Oura cannot, though. Since it is a headband, it can tell me what side I was sleeping on (left, right, back), and during what stages. That's really cool to see! It can track that I usually fall asleep on my left side, but wake up on my back. Oura can't do that because it is just a ring. So it can't know what side you were on. The Dreem also gives me weekly sleep reports, which are cool to see. Oura graphs it as a trailing 7 days. Both are cool, but Dreem's reports are easier to digest. Dreem also does a better job of showing me my patterns over time. Oura shows daily data better. Dreem shows weekly/monthly data better. Having both is the best of both worlds. The Dreem's headband tightness needs some work, though. I have it as tight as it will go, but I have an average of 60 position changes a night. So it gets moved around my head and into a non-ideal position more than I would like. So I might contact them to see if they have a solution to make it tighter.
Take last night for example. Dreem shows a 90% sleep efficiency, and Oura shows 88%. Dreem shows 7 hours 33min sleep time, and Oura shows exactly the same at 7 hours 33min. Dreem shows 1 awakening, and Oura shows 0. The awakening Dreem shows was only 2 minutes, and I didn't have a postion change. I was on my back the whole time. So Oura could not see it without the EEG. Usually I will change positions with an awakening. So Oura and Dreem both show it. This was an outlier. Dreem shows my average heart rate at 66bpm, and Oura shows 67bpm. So you can see they are extremely close to each other, if not the exact same in most measures.
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Dreem 2 and Oura, with and without Sleep Support.
I absolutely sleep better after taking Sleep Support, and both Oura and Dreem show that. I get more deep sleep. I have less awakenings. I have less position changes. I fall asleep faster and wake up more consistently. Pretty much every measure on both devices shows I am sleeping better with Sleep Support.