Comment · Thu, February 15, 2024 · ND Owner
Lions mane/erinamax and tigers milk combo
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okaycat · 5 points
Hi guys
Posted this in the general nootropics subreddit as well.
I’m currently taking erinamax/lions mane and tigers milk in hopes that it would help my mood and cognitive function. I’m bipolar so I deal pretty significantly with those issues. Especially since manic episodes tend to cause brain damage long term.
I’ve been on erinamax for a week and a half now and on tigers milk for five days.
I’ve heard it’s a great combo for neurogenesis in the brain and helps with mood and cognition pretty quickly. At least compared to regular lions mane.
However all I’ve noticed is insomnia and maybe feeling a bit foggy? I do think music sounds better but that could just be a placebo.
So anyone have any experience with this combo? Thoughts?
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ozdoz71 · 2 points
That's a crazy loophole! I'm shocked at how little they actually do to check Chinese companies, most of whom actually just resell products from different vendors. Whereas the legislation says that goods must be safe to consume. Great to hear you want to take this further and not letting people suffer.
Can you send me any more information or proof about International RINP? I would report the activity of this store to the local authorities for fraud.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
We already reported them to the FDA years ago. Nothing happened. Nobody seems to really care. Hell, when some of these brands started claiming erinacine and hericenone numbers I knew were impossible, I figured they were just a bad lab doing shoddy science. I figured they were using a basic terpene assay to test, and then claiming that was the erinacines. I thought brands were spiking their lion's mane with a cheap terpene to pump those numbers up. Little did I know it was just complete fraud. I could have sent them powdered dirt labeled lion's mane, and they would have given me a passing COA. However, I did test the terpene theory. We spiked the yeast with a terpene to see if it would change their erinacine number they gave back to us. Nope! So even the stupid fraud I thought they were doing was more complex than the reality. The reality is that they give you a COA that shows you what you want if you pay them to. If you claim 8% erinacines, they will give you a COA saying it passes, even if you sent them powdered milk.
Doing this science is HARD. People don't realize just how difficult it is. We've spent 8 years and millions of dollars on our lion's mane project. I refused to sell new lion's mane extracts for that entire time, till we solved the science. I watched as countless brands defrauded consumers for years, all in the name of profit. You know how fucking angry it made me watching all this? They don't even understand the basic chemistry of it all. You can't even do a total erinacine or hericenone assay! The molecules are too different from each other to group them all together. They have different polarities and solubilities. You need different column chemistries, different mobile phases, and different fucking detectors just to see all the erinacines, much less hericenones, hericenes, hericerins, etc. So even someone just saying "total erinacines" or "total hericenones" are just full of shit! Ask any chemist to look at the erinacine structures, and ask them if they think a single test method could be made to quantify them all. This is basic science. Anyone with chemistry knowledge could glance at the list of erinacine structures and tell you these companies are full of shit. Some of them have fatty acid sidechains, which makes them act completely different in the mobile phase. Some of them have cyclic structures that require different columns to separate. Many of them don't even have chromophores, so the UV detector on an HPLC can't see them! And this is just measuring the damn things! Getting into the biochemistry of how, why, what fungal part, and in what conditions they are made is a totally different ballgame.
Then these Chinese suppliers start offering "8% erinacine" lion's mane, which they admit is BS, and I start seeing these random no-name brands pop up selling 8% erinacines like they just stumbled upon the most potent lion's mane on the planet. Ohh yeah, you just happened to bring out a lion's mane that is 16 times more potent than a company that spent 8 years, millions of dollars, and had a team of scientists working to solve these hurdles. They are like children. They are so naive and lack the scientific understanding to even realize how silly they look to people that understand the chemistry of it all. They think they just happened to find the one Chinese supplier, who is totally trustworthy and not lying to them, that results in them having the best lion's mane on the planet, with zero work of their own. Then they found the one lab in the world doing testing that hundred million dollar labs are incapable of. This lab is not even ISO accredited! Just go on their site! Eurofins, Mérieux, SGS, Alkemist... all unable to do this advanced testing, but this rando non-ISO lab in California run by a Chinese women totally can. It's willful ignorance. These brands want to believe the numbers. They want to believe they stumbled on the best lion's mane without any work of their own, because that's what makes them the most money.