Comment · Sun, May 10, 2015 · Ceretropic
A Note Regarding Ceretropic's Caffeine/NALT
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[deleted] · 19 points
There's been a lot of recent activity here regarding Ceretropic's new ionically bonded Caffeine/NALT solution. Specifically, whether the claims made about this solution are, in fact legitimate. I'd like to make a few comments, and requests:
As someone who has dealt with startups in the past and the patents surrounding them, I can assure you that the patent system isn't the most fun experience. However, it's necessary to protect IP and new methodologies so that someone's hard work isn't stolen and reimplemented by someone else in a week (for profit). Without this, there's no incentive to invent anything new -- just wait for someone else to invent something and steal their idea.
As someone who is part of this community and is looking to potentially ingest this product (correction: just ingested, mine came in a couple hours ago) it seems reasonable to request secondary, unbiased verifications of the claims made my /u/MisterYouAreSoDumb. Just as /u/MisterYouAreSoDumb requested (and eventually coordinated) product testings for some of True Life Research's (TLR) products, the community has the right to request product testings for Ceretropic's new products. However, given the above, I…
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[deleted] · 4 points
On the site, it is stated that:
>Not only that, but the Caffeine/NALT complex offers improved pharmacodynamics of just taking a caffeine pill and NALT powder separately.
I believe this is the claim that people question -- not your ability to fit large amounts of caffeine into a concentrated solution, but rather that doing so offers a benefit over simply taking the two products separately. This question has been asked repeatedly by others, including /u/SpinCity07 above. As a separate matter, I believe it would help if you stopped viewing these questions as an attack on your integrity and rather as legitimate questions of intellectual curiosity. Here on /r/nootropics, I love learning things; personally, I'm legitimately curious about this and have no reason to doubt the authenticity of your claims. Given the quality of your posts, I'm guessing you're familiar with the experience of having a teacher tell you "it's true because it's true, you don't need to know why for now". My hope, and the hope of many others, is that you'll explain why the statement on your site is true... to fulfill a curiosity.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
Ohh, you just want to have an indication of it offering better effects over each individually? It's not like we ran formal animal studies on it. We just had everyone take the same dosages of powdered NALT and Caffeine, and compare it to the effects of our solution. Everyone that tried it unanimously said the solution worked better. It actually surprised everyone in the office. So we worked backwards as to why that would be, and came to the conclusion that since the brain binding will be the same, the increases come from improved absorption characteristics of the Caffeine/NALT complex.
After looking at the molecular interactions, we came up with a bunch of other ideas that might have some cool implications in other industries. Not wanting to spell all that out, due to waiting on patents, I just wrote a simple explanation about ionic bonding and improved pharmacodynamics. I think that is what originally set all this off. Then a chemist came on and said that he thought we were lying, and did not get that much Caffeine and NALT into the solution, and it spiraled from there. That is what made me defensive, and I have been projecting that ever since. I should not have done that, but I am just really stressed and worn out right now. Next time I will just bow out of the arguments. It certainly did not help anyone, and I apologize for it.