Comment · Sat, May 9, 2015 · Ceretropic
A Note Regarding Ceretropic's Caffeine/NALT
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There's been a lot of recent activity here regarding Ceretropic's new ionically bonded Caffeine/NALT solution. Specifically, whether the claims made about this solution are, in fact legitimate. I'd like to make a few comments, and requests:
As someone who has dealt with startups in the past and the patents surrounding them, I can assure you that the patent system isn't the most fun experience. However, it's necessary to protect IP and new methodologies so that someone's hard work isn't stolen and reimplemented by someone else in a week (for profit). Without this, there's no incentive to invent anything new -- just wait for someone else to invent something and steal their idea.
As someone who is part of this community and is looking to potentially ingest this product (correction: just ingested, mine came in a couple hours ago) it seems reasonable to request secondary, unbiased verifications of the claims made my /u/MisterYouAreSoDumb. Just as /u/MisterYouAreSoDumb requested (and eventually coordinated) product testings for some of True Life Research's (TLR) products, the community has the right to request product testings for Ceretropic's new products. However, given the above, I…
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u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
TLR were not telling people the ingredients. I never expected them to explain their production processes. I expected them to tell people the compounds they were consuming, rather than giving them proprietary names. I did not call our Caffeine/NALT solution CER-1050XB. It's Caffeine and N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine. All the ingredients are on the bottle. Also, we tested TLR's products because people were complaining about them not doing anything. All I am hearing about our Caffeine/NALT is rave reviews. Not a single person has written me saying they did not get effects.
What lab results does everyone want? Do you want me to send a sealed bottle to a lab, so they can test what is in it? That seems extremely redundant and overkill, but I can do that. I mean, it's caffeine and N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine. This is not some cutting edge new molecule, where a lot of suspicion is warranted. It's two very common ingredients, just put into solution using a novel process. Do people just want test results of the ingredients? Like we are using something other than Caffeine and NALT? I can do that. What I cannot do is explain the process used to make the solution, and keep it stable.
I've already removed the ionic statements from the site, so people don't get confused. Both myself and my chemist have gone back and forth a ton now about the issue of whether it is a proton or an electron being shared or transferred, but does that really matter? It is a stable solution of Caffeine and NALT, with 200mg of each per milliliter. If it is a proton being shared instead of an electron, is that going to affect anything at all, other than people's understanding of the underlying chemistry?
This has all been a learning experience for me. I now know that I cannot release anything, or even talk about things in detail, till I secure the intellectual property. I really wish I did not have to play in the broken system that we have now, but I have to protect us. If I don't, there are countless people out there that will take advantage of the situation. That's fine. It is what it is. I cannot operate as I ideally see the world. I have to operate as the world really is; and the world is full of people who will steal anything they can. I have new versions of Semax that I was working on, that I am super excited about talking about. I can't, though. I have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on patents and lawyers first. I am not going to be the guy in 10 years giving a sob story about how everything was stolen from him, because he wanted people to be better humans than they actually are. I would love to just tell everyone everything, and have it all open source, then let our service and other business operations speak for themselves: the Tesla of the Nootropics world. But I know that if 5 Hour Energy thought they could steal our idea out from under us, then sue us into not using a process we thought up, they would do it in an instant. I can't have that.
The other reason I am being more secretive than usual, is that this process led to ideas that have far greater reaching implications than just a Caffeine/NALT solution. As LiftMode have stated, the energy drink market is a billion dollar industry. This project has led me to ideas that could be very groundbreaking. They could also not work at all, or not be all that groundbreaking in the end. However, I am not taking the chance of risking it, till I fully understand what I need to do to protect them from a legal standpoint. Maybe I am being paranoid, but I know people. People are shitty.
So tell me what you want me to do, to make you comfortable with this product.