anyone had real cordyceps, directly from a silkworm?

Mister, I have no idea how this topic got so sidetracked being mostly about ND being decent or not.

I can quote your comments above that bring up ND if you like.... You were the one that brought it up, so I responded. Here, I will quote it for clarity's sake.

i dont look at ND as high quality. there is a guy here on nootropics who works for them, therefore they have extreme popularity on this reddit. makes sense to me

So you said we were not high quality, and then claimed we were shilling on here, so I got involved. You were also PMing people on here and calling them shills for us. So if you are confused how ND got involved, look in the mirror.

I really honestly was just trying to get someone to check this stuff i found on ebay, comment on its possibility to be valuable useful content, and maybe perhaps because its not so expensive try it and report. I personally want to do that, and hope to do that eventually if my damn stimulus check ever comes through! But since I cannot afford it, I really hoped someone goes in first and be the cool guy, reporting back.

Nobody should buy that untested garbage and put it into their bodies. Even the people on the other sub you think are trustworthy are telling you that. There is no evidence anything about that product is legitimate or safe. That species does not even grow on the arthropods they claim to be growing it on...

Anyway, i guess all topics do get sidetracked so i guess its fine. It just weird how ND related it became. I know its just business for you. I know all business is about making profit and THATS FINE! I do not want to pick on you for making money, thats retarded. I just had to express my opinion on it and since its negative, it caused some heat which i do not feel comfortable, but i would feel even less comfortable if i never say what i really think from my point of view, with my experiences.

Again, your brought us up. If you genuinely want to discuss the science, I am more than willing to. It just never seems like people making claims about us being shitty or shilling actually want to have productive discussions. If you had an issue with us, tell me about it. I can fix issues that I know about. Nobody making these public claims ever fucking writes me, though! It makes me feel like it is all bullshit meant to smear our name. Real customers with problems write me. Then I take care of their problems and everyone benefits! I do it all the time. Every single day I am handling a PM from someone that needs help. But when people make public claims about us, then refuse to actually PM me the details of what went wrong, what else am I supposed to think, other than it was just fake shit meant to defame us? If you had an issue, PM me! I will look into it.

but as much as im not comfortable with most businesses, including ND, i would love if you or someone you know ever gets true wild crafted cordyceps that does come out of caterpillar. Thats the only time Ill try it now. I tried your cordyceps in the past, just like maybe 30 other herbs, and it sucked. But no offense, maybe its just me, but im very very picky and specific about what i gather, food or herb s. I even had very specifically prepared duck kidneys from Hong Kong through a friend one time, so I am really selective and very critical of what i get and how i like my things :)

Which of our cordyceps did you try? What dose, and for how long? We operate on science here, not woo. So we set standardizations based on valid scientific evidence. The science shows that wild C. sinensis actually has LESS actives than cultivated C. militaris. I can certainly get some grown on caterpillers, but if they test worse in our lab, and cost a ton more, what's the point? I have one of the world's foremost mushroom researchers on my team now, and we are working on some really cool new mushroom products. However, they have to be based in scientific evidence. It only makes sense that a properly done cultivation program that controls the growth media, oxygen levels, and light conditions will lead to better end results than what you will find out in nature. Wild C. sinensis goes for an insane amount of money in China because of the reputation and myth behind it. That doesn't mean it is scientifically better.