Comment · Thu, April 16, 2020
Question on this Product: Rhodiola Rosea Extract Powder | 60 Grams | 3% Salidroside
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Staragox · 3 points
I ordered the product in the title line on Amazon from Nootropics Depot (you were the seller), and I noticed that you sell a different Rhodiola extract that does not have Rosavins.
I was wondering if the Rhodiola Rosea Extract Powder that is 3% Salidroside, does not have the Rosavins removed?
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Staragox · 2 points
I understand everything you are saying and it explains how extract works and what things like 1:10 means (which I was never really sure of), and I really appreciate the help. I was planning to buy some more products from Nootropics, so this information will help there too. And I know this is offtopic, but I really like the name of your company, it sounds cool. Some herbal companies have names that don't sound as cool :)
There are a couple more things, I wasn't sure about. I'll just ask the first one here, then the other later.
Some companies sell a "full spectrum product". Meaning all plant parts are in the product, which I'm sure you already know.
Now, I am a bit confused on this. If I buy an extract of a full spectrum product that is standardized to 3% of something instead of a full spectrum product, I thought I am getting a more concentrated "remaining portion" of the product? I probably didn't phrase that question very well. What I mean is, I just bought Rhodiola Rosea from Nootropics, and I will probably buy that Crenulata, just to get the stuff that isn't in the Rosea. Now if I buy the Crenulata version, which I think is standardized to 3% salidroside, then is the 97% remaining, is that 97% remaining sort of a concentrated full spectrum product, or concentrated form of whatever the extract is made from, the leaves, stems, flowers, etc?
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb
So to start, just assume most companies are lying. You will be right most of the time. Take tongkat ali for example. You see many places selling 100:1 and 200:1 extracts, right? Well those are really like 4:1 and 8:1 extracts. The extraction ratio is all a lie! Just recently found that out, by the way. When we spoke to the actual grower and manufacturer of tongkat ali, which we are now working directly with, they said that they had to call them that because that's what all the US companies were listing them as. So to be competitive, and sell a comparable product, they had to call them a much higher extraction ratio than they are. This is because LJ100 claims to be a 100:1 extract, when in fact it is much lower than that. So the entire market is inflated and based on a lie. Now we are coming out with our own tongkat ali extracts, and we have to explain to everyone how literally all the vendors out there are lying to them. We are bringing out an extract that is 25X more potent than LJ100, I shit you not. TWENTY FIVE TIMES more potent. What, am I going to call it a 2,500:1 extract? That's lunacy! So I am going to have to spend money educating people how how they are being lied to, and that's a difficult thing to do. No matter how well I do that, some people are going to still think our product is overpriced or not as good, simply because we are the only ones telling the truth. But take our product back to back with theirs, and your mind will be blown. It might as well be a completely different product. Ours is that much more effective. I could sell the "200:1 Extract" these other companies are selling, but it's a shitty product that I don't want to put my name on. So we are selling real quality standardized extracts that will be the most potent in the world, and I am just going to have to educate people on the facts of the situation.
So back to full spectrum, that means that your extraction process is pulling over a representative amount of everything in the raw plant. If people were honest, that's what you could take it as. However, people are not honest. So in practice it is meaningless coming from most vendors. Most vendors that call something "full spectrum" are just lying out of their asses. They have no fucking idea if it is full spectrum or not. Frankly they probably have no idea what that even means. Now when WE say full spectrum, what we are meaning is that you are getting all the actives from the plant, just concentrated. This is different than an isolate. An isolate is when you design your extraction processes to isolate one specific thing. So take CBD for example. CBD isolate is an extract from hemp that pulls over CBD, and only CBD. A full spectrum extract would be one designed to pull all the actives over from the hemp, and just standardized to CBD. So in rhodiola's case, a salidroside isolate would be a highly purified extract that only pulls salidroside over. A full spectrum extract would be one that pulls all the actives over, but is standardized to salidroside. That's what we do most of the time. We do full spectrum extracts that concentrate all the beneficial compounds in a plant, but we pick one to use as our standard measure. So since we have two versions of Rhodiola rosea, both are full spectrum. They both pull over all the beneficial compounds. However, our 3% salidroside one focuses on standardizing to that specific compound whereas our 3% rosavin one focuses on that. Both have all the compounds in rhodiola. They just have different ratios of them based on our standardization.
So does that make sense? I am explaining how things SHOULD be, and how we work. You cannot trust other vendors, though. You just can't without data. So if a vendor calls something "full spectrum" or a 200:1 extract, you need to press them for more information on that. If they refuse, or give you info that makes no sense, they are likely lying or have no clue what they are doing. Or you can just assume they are lying, because that's probably the case.