Comment · Sat, February 8, 2014 · Ceretropic
Depressive effects from phenylpiracetam
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Notlambda · 2 points
I've taken phenylpiracetam with citi-choline a few times, and the effects were amazing. Verbal fluency went way through the roof, and I was able to understand concepts easily. I was called a genius multiple times while using it, and helped my co-workers through some hard coding problems with ease. Definitely not placebo. Definitely a different ball game than modafinil. I wish I could always use it, but I've heard that tolerance develops very quickly.
So far I've always taken it first thing in the morning around 8:00 AM. The effects kick in after about 30 minutes, and they last virtually all day, until around 6:00 PM, when I crash HARD.
Around 6:00 PM I find my cognitive abilities have returned to average levels, but I become ridiculously sad to the point of suicidal attempts. I cut myself with a knife while on the stuff, and went out to the street trying to throw myself into heavy traffic.
I'm not usually like that at all.
After the first day I searched the Internet for phenylpiracetam side-effects, but nobody had listed depression as a problem. I stopped the phenylpiracetam and went straight citi-choline, and the depression went away, so it wasn't the choline causing the…
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simen · -1 points
You do not cut yourself with knives and try to throw yourself in front of moving traffic because you just got some depressive feelings from a drug.
Yes, yes you do. Drugs are powerful things! Drugs can make you do crazy, dangerous things. If nothing like this has ever happened off the drug, then there is every reason to believe it actually was the drug. There are reports of antidepressants causing suicidal behavior in non-depressed subjects in the scientific literature. There are plenty of reports of non-psychotic or non-bipolar subjects temporarily presenting psychotic or manic or depressive symptoms from ingesting psychoactive drugs. It's even part of the diagnostic criteria of many psychiatric disorders that the symptoms not be drug-induced. This is a thing that actually happens, and I know you know it happens. The only thing that's unusual is what kind of drug did this to OP.
A professional isn't going to be able to treat or diagnose a problem that doesn't present any symptoms. So if OP was symptom free before the phenylpiracetam, and symptom free after, what else is there left to do except never touch the stuff again?
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
Because mood is a lot more complicated than that. You don't attempt suicide the first time you get depressive feelings. If you do, there is a more serious issue that is behind it. What happens when the OP takes another drug that causes him to try and harm himself again? If he doesn't speak with someone about how to deal with those feelings, he might actually kill himself. Then how would you feel telling him to just stop taking the drug? The drug was the catalyst, not the cause. Depression is not a simple feeling, and self harm is not something to be dismissed simply.
If OP speaks to a medical professional about it, they can help try and get to the bottom of the feelings of self harm, and give him strategies to deal with those feelings if they happen again.