Comment · Sat, February 8, 2014 · Ceretropic
Depressive effects from phenylpiracetam
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Notlambda · 2 points
I've taken phenylpiracetam with citi-choline a few times, and the effects were amazing. Verbal fluency went way through the roof, and I was able to understand concepts easily. I was called a genius multiple times while using it, and helped my co-workers through some hard coding problems with ease. Definitely not placebo. Definitely a different ball game than modafinil. I wish I could always use it, but I've heard that tolerance develops very quickly.
So far I've always taken it first thing in the morning around 8:00 AM. The effects kick in after about 30 minutes, and they last virtually all day, until around 6:00 PM, when I crash HARD.
Around 6:00 PM I find my cognitive abilities have returned to average levels, but I become ridiculously sad to the point of suicidal attempts. I cut myself with a knife while on the stuff, and went out to the street trying to throw myself into heavy traffic.
I'm not usually like that at all.
After the first day I searched the Internet for phenylpiracetam side-effects, but nobody had listed depression as a problem. I stopped the phenylpiracetam and went straight citi-choline, and the depression went away, so it wasn't the choline causing the…
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simen · 1 points
The drug was the catalyst, not the cause.
You don't know that. Your assumption is that extreme emotional lows that can drive someone towards suicide cannot be caused by a one-time drug experience, without underlying issues. This is demonstrably wrong. There are plenty of cases where sane people take a drug and go literally insane for the duration of the experience, and act accordingly. It's rare, but it happens. Based on the account OP originally gave, in which he stated that this was completely unlike him, and that the effects were transient, not persisting after the drug experience or existing before it, it fits the profile of a drug-induced episode perfectly.
That is why my advice, based on the original post, would be to avoid the drug and other drugs like it. The solution isn't to go to a professional in order to get help dealing with insanity, the solution is not to take drugs that make you go insane. And again, in the original post which was what I based my advice on, there was no indication whatsoever that there was an underlying issue, if you discount your wrongful assumption that a drug couldn't possibly induce such an episode without a deep underlying mental health issue.
I didn't mean to say that the poster should absolutely not go get some help, only to disagree with your rather alarmist post that it was an extremely urgent issue, as if he might harm himself a…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
And you don't know the contrary. We are not talking about a psychotic episode on something like LSD. We are talking about a minor stimulant that can lead to a hypomanic rebound at worst. If a minor hypomanic rebound leads to you attempting suicide, then there is a very high probability there is underlying psychological issues that need to be addressed.
Listen, I have almost taken my own life on a number of occasions, and I have lost friends to depression. It is not something that should be taken lightly. The OP stated that he cut himself with knives and attempted to throw himself in front of moving traffic. All of this from a substance that is not known to cause psychological issues. This means that suggesting he speak to a medical professional about what happened is not alarmist, it's prudent. I am not blowing this out of proportion. He himself stated that he attempted suicide. If you have ever been in that position, you know how serious and scary it can be. There is a very high probability that other substances or situations will set it off again in the future. It is in his best interest to know how to handle those feelings properly if if does happen again. Hey, perhaps it never will, and this is a freak incident. Speaking to a doctor or psychologist about it, and learning how to cope with depressive feelings, can only help. It is better to be safe than sorry when we are talking about something as serious as taking your own life.
I am really at a loss for why were are arguing about the suggestion that someone who has attempted to take his own life should speak to a qualified medical professional about it. I know I would be extremely upset if I learned that OP eventually was successful in those attempts at a later date, and I said nothing. Even if there is a small probability that it will happen again, it should be addressed. Nobody should have to take their own life. It is a horrible loss.
And please don't insinuate that depressed people are insane. Nobody is calling OP insane. That word should never be used around someone that has caused self harm or attempted suicide.