Do you recommend purchasing supplements from Nootropics Depot?

I mean, I don't think you are asking in good faith. You were told we did third party testing 8 months ago, yet still keep spreading the falsehood that we don't.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Supplements/comments/yg2xfb/thoughts_on_nootropics_depot/iu7ftan/

In that comment that was linked to you, literally the first sentence is "Yes, we do 3rd party testing." yet you just kept repeating there was no mention of 3rd party testing... I even talk about one of the 3rd party labs we use, Eurofins, and how we discovered that one of their locations was putting out bad data, while their others were putting out good data. Show me any other supplement brand that is monitoring the specific sites of other 3rd party labs, and tracking accuracy of the data! We are doing things other brands don't even know need to be done! However, I will humor you here.

Alkemist is one of the labs we use. They have certified botanists on staff, so they can characterize plants without botanical reference materials that we can't. I rant about it in this comment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NootropicsDepot/comments/ypl2wc/3rd_party_lab_testing_for_nd/ivmla2y/

I talk extensively about the details and process in those comments, and talk about multiple other 3rd party labs that we use.

Here is an example of a recent COA from Alkemist to us.

This is testing raw Trichilia catigua [Meliaceae] bark, as there are no botanical reference materials for it. We are working with partners in Brazil to try to categorize the plant to create our own cautaba. This includes a professor from one of the federal universities in Brazil. We actually bought him a special HPLC column to do some of the work, and sent it to him in Brazil. We have been gathering samples of things claimed to be catuaba, and trying to categorize which species of plant they really are. The botanists at Alkemist are helping us to do that categorization.

Here is another COA from Alkemist.

This is for a plant called Dioscorea nipponica Makino. There are no reference standards for that, either. We have been working with farms in the midwest that have been growing Dioscorea plants to try and create our own reference standards. You can see in this case the sample did not match the species. Sometimes it takes us many years to solve a standards problem like this. We use Alkemist a lot for the botany side. But we also send actual QC runs of raw material to them, too.

Here is a COA from them of our gotu kola from a few months ago.

So that's Alkemist. I mentioned Eurofins above. We use them for some things as well.

Here is a recent COA from Eurofins.

That's for residual solvents on our GABA. We have a GC-FID in our lab, and have a full residual solvents panel, so I am not sure why we sent to Eurofins here. Maybe we were swamped and just needed results quick. I will have to check with my lab director, but we had Eurofins do this one.

Here is another Eurofins COA.

That's for our Triple Strength fish oil softgels. It's fill a weight and fatty acid assay. Again, I believe we can do that analysis on our GC, but maybe we just didn't have the time for this batch, so we sent it to Eurofins.

Here is another Eurofins COA.

That's for peroxide values on our krill oil softgels.

Another lab we use is Mérieux. In fact, they did the other part of the krill oil testing that Eurofins couldn't.

Here is the COA for that.

That was a specialized speciation testing for arsenic. Krill oil is naturally higher in arsenic, but it is the non-harmful organic types like arsenocholine and arsenobetaine. You can't just do a normal arsenic assay on ICP-MS like you can other products. You have to do a specialied test, and only a few labs actually do it. Mérieux is one of them, so we use them for our speciated arsenic testing. Hell, try and ask our competitors to even explain aresenic speciation testing, and see what they say! Ask Double Wood or Swanson for any of this data. See what they say.

Here is another COA from Mérieux.

This one is for our gotu kola. We've never done this testing in-house, because we cannot get the methods to work on our machines. I think Mérieux has a special column for their HPLC, and they developed a method for it that is proprietary. Rather than us buying a column just for one test, and spending a year developing and validating our own method, we just use Mérieux for it.

I mentioned above that we don't have an ICP-MS in house, and that we use another lab for all our heavy metals testing. That lab is Apex.

Here is an Apex COA.

That's heavy metals analysis for our lion's mane 8:1.

Here is another COA.

That's heavy metals assay for our cistanche.

Here is another.

This one is actually an assay for boron glycinate, as boron is a metal that is detected using ICP-MS. So they do other things than just heavy metals testing for us. Anything that uses ICP-MS we usually use Apex.

Here is another COA.

Yes, that's right... that's a heavy metals analysis for banana flavoring. We even do full testing on all the flavorings we use in our solutions! Find me another brand that is going to that level. I mentioned boron glycinate before. ICP-MS testing only tells you the boron content. It doesn't tell you if it is really boron glycinate, though. That's why you have orthogonal analyses. This requires another methodology like NMR. For that we use NuMega.

Here is a NuMega NMR report for our boron glycinate.

We don't just do what other brands do, and do the bare minimum testing to get a number. We put things through a battery of all sorts of tests to ensure it's exactly what we claim it to be. Show me another brand that has NMR data for their boron glycinate. We were not even satisfied with that. We also had NuMega do a positive and negative scan mass spec test on it, just to be certain.

Here is that test.

Properly using chemistry to give you the data that tells you what you want it to tell you is complex, and often that means relying on the expertise of a bunch of different labs. We understand that, and deeply care about the the chemistry, so we do what is necessary to ensure things are exactly what we claim them to be. Other brands send to some rando lab that does the bare minimum, if anything, to get a number back to show a customer. That's not good enough for us. Scientific validity matters. There are other labs we use, and I could sit here all day posting COAs and explaining the chemistry, but I think this gets my point across. We absolutely do 3rd party lab testing. I probably spend more money on 3rd party lab testing than any of our direct competitors, on top of all the spending on running our lab. We are also fully ISO/IEC 17025:2017 accredited. We just went through our 3rd ISO audit. We also just went through our 4th cGMP certification, and this last one was the most rigorous yet. Now we are certified for another 2 years. Our testing procedures and quality systems have been verified by independent 3rd parties for years, and we are a 3rd party lab testing for other brands.

https://omnientlabs.com/

You can search our ISO cert on the Perry Johnson site if you like.

https://www.pjlabs.com/search-accredited-organizations

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