Comment · Mon, November 1, 2021 · ND Owner
Super satisfied customer, just one small nitpick
Original post in this thread
xanthippusd · 33 points
I love ND products. I am a repeat customer and will remain so. The only little nitpick I can find that I think you guys can improve upon is that I picked up the 200 mg caffeine/100 mg theanine caps and half of the cap is coloured with Red #40 and #3. C'mon guys, using azo dyes in supplements? A lot of us avoid that shit even if they aren't yet linked to negative health outcomes. I will finish my bottle since you guys nailed the doses and I'm not \too\ worried, but I will seek an alternative for my next caffeine supp purchase unless you stop using azo dyes in the caps.
\*edited to say that this is also a great reminder of 'buyer beware' - ND has been SO good with not including sketchy ingredients in the vast majority of their products that I got overconfident and bought these without even reading the ingredients as I would with almost any other brand. That is of course my careless mistake.
What they were answering
General_NakedButt · 9 points
I agree, while none of stuff I purchase from ND has dyes I would be hesitant to purchase something that did. It’s crazy to me that the US hasn’t banned those yet considering they were determined to be of enough concern in the EU to get the boot long ago.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Get the boot? They are currently approved in the EU right now.
https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.2903/j.efsa.2009.1327
There was a single improperly run study that showed issues, and the EFSA assessed that and came to the conclusion it was not relevant enough to adjust the ADI of 7mg/kg per day. The ESFA calls this red dye Allura Red AC. One capsule of our caffeine/L-theanine contains 0.33795mg of the dye. The EFSA limit for how much of that dye I can consume every day is 588mg, based on my body weight. So one of our capsules is 0.057% of the ADI for me. It's meaningless.