Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · ND Owner
Reddit AMA | In-House Lab Edition
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NootropicsDepotGuru · 77 points
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sebovarli · 1 points
I do find it funny that the Oriveda results show it failed for ganoderic acids, though. LOL. They claimed 5% and got 1.8%. The Alkemist results literally say "Fail" on them.
Yes I will get in touch and see what they have to say about all that. Really like their Reishi though, my arthritis was literally gone in 5 weeks. It was causing me lots of discomfort, joint pains, had trouble sleeping, it was hell and now it's gone, heaven !!
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Hey, if it works it works. My issue with them isn't that the stuff is fake or doesn't work. It's that they use no science, or improper science, to make claims they can't prove or are provably false. Doing things right is difficult. I could sell you tons of potent mushroom extracts that we have worked on over the years. However, the hard part is actually using science to prove your claims BEFORE you sell them to customers. That's always been my issue since I got into this community a decade ago. Scientific integrity and proving things are as you claim before you sell them to customers is a must. If it was just about finding a supplier that would sell you an extract claiming something, then packaging it up and selling it to customers for a massive markup like they do, anyone could do it. I know the suppliers Oriveda uses, because they reach out to us with the same claims as well. They offered us all these extracts making these large claims. When we asked for proof and lab data, it was all garbage or they didn't have it. We even got samples and ran them through the lab, then bought Oriveda's stuff and ran that through the lab to confirm they were the same extracts. Not only that, we know the price they pay. Their markups are insane. These are my main problems. If you just accept a Chinese supplier's word for something, they might sell you a 9% reishi extract. However, you can't claim that till you prove it in the lab, or you get shit like their ever declining standardization numbers. Chinese suppliers lie all the time about standardizations. Sometimes that is just because they are misinformed and don't understand the science. Other times they are willfully misleading people to try and sell more product. It's the supplements brands' responsibility to account for that and prove these things before selling them to customers.
Circling back to the Alkemist testing, what it appears they are doing is using a single ganoderic A standard, then applying the response factors for the other ones to calculate them. That's not ideal. However, that is what happens in the USP ashwagandha testing method, too. So while it is not ideal chemistry, it's not completely wrong. The chromatography needs a bit of work, but this is a good starting place for adding in the newer available reference standards. That's what I am going to have my team do right now. We'll get the standards and modify those methods to get our own more accurate data. I am also just going to send some samples in to Alkemist and have them run the method as they are now.