Reddit AMA | In-House Lab Edition

Comment · Thu, October 21, 2021 · 1 pts

> 3) Has there ever been anger between you and other labs when your findings don't match, maybe if another lab didn't use enough methods to discover issues with a batch or something like that? There is a lot I want to s

Comment · Thu, October 21, 2021 · 1 pts

>on topic: what is your dream lab spec / equipment - say you truly had money no object? And why those machines / processes and what would you use them for? I would probably agree with my lab director. I guess that make

Comment · Thu, October 21, 2021 · 1 pts

Yes on both. We have been unable to make astaxanthin for a reasonable price yet. I'd like to bring it out, but costs are making that not feasible. Fadogia agrestis is not one I am sold on yet. I think there are toxicit

Comment · Thu, October 21, 2021 · 1 pts

We work with Alkemist all the time, and we asked them for years to test triterpenes in reishi, but they said they couldn't yet. However, it appears as though they just started offering it to Oriveda. I looked at the chro

Comment · Thu, October 21, 2021 · 1 pts

I do miss the fun carefree days of Ceretropic. There was a naive optimism back then. It was before the reality of the world smacked me in the face and forced me to temper my expectations a bit. Don't get me wrong, we do

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

ICP-MS, which is inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry. The detection limits of the machine and methods we use are: Arsenic: 0.2000 ppm Cadmium: 0.0800 ppm Mercury: 0.0200 ppm Lead: 0.0800 ppm

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Yes. We already have. We are just not ready for retail yet. I've personally taken our extract, though. Like nothing else I have ever taken. It's going to be a really big hit when we bring it out... if everyone reacts the

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Yes, due to customs issues. They claimed FDA holds, but we never received official documents from the FDA. We emailed at least 10 times, and called and left messages. They ghosted us. They seized thousands of kilos from

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Are you thinking of robbing us? LOL

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

A B complex is in the works. We are still formulating and deciding on forms, though. The final formulation is not 100% settled yet. We also do have some longevity things in the works, along with a possible Natrium stack

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

We basically force-feed a couple interns, lock them in a room, then videotape them. It's not perfect, but is really fun! LOL, no. We have a formal beta test process for it. Anyone that works for us can participate. We h

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

We do have a lot of people that are passionate about nootropics and supplements, but not everyone is. Everyone in the lab is passionate about chemistry, though. That's a must when working in the lab. They like using scie

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

The only way to hold companies accountable would be a completely separate industry association. That association would have to not be funded by the labs or brands. It would have to exist solely to be a watchdog, and it w

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

If I focused on the frustration, I would never get anything done. It does suck, but I have to let go of the things I can't change in the current moment, and focus on the ones I can. That's all any of us can do. I really

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Probably not, but I will certainly try to get it out as quickly as we can. There is a lot of steps between making lab scale batches and getting it up to production scale. I also want to do more beta testing, because I am

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

[It's a no-no, and I like it!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6KEapO1awc)

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

My pleasure! What do you mean by sampling rates? Do you mean how often do we test batches? We test every single batch that enters our facility. We think skip-lot testing is ridiculous. If you don't get data on every sing

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Scientific rigor is paramount for us. I don't just want to do the minimum to say we tested things and call it a day. I want to ensure our processes and procedures are done intelligently and rigorously to ensure that I ca

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

We are beta testing it right now. We made our ultimate extraction 100% more efficient, but we think it altered the effects slightly. So right now we are testing them back to back to see what we think. Then we have to set

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Hey, if it works it works. My issue with them isn't that the stuff is fake or doesn't work. It's that they use no science, or improper science, to make claims they can't prove or are provably false. Doing things right is

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Nothing set in stone, but we are working on it. I've been personally trying out extracts and seeing what I react best to. Then we have to connect the analytical side to correlate those effects with certain actives. Then

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Great minds think alike! It's something I have considered for years. I would just want to make sure we structured it properly to make sense for everyone and be sustainable.

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

We are in beta testing now. We improved our extraction efficiency by a lot in the larger batch. However, the effects have changed. We are testing and discussing strategies now. Our latest extract batch is a more "pure" e

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Our bank won't allow it, unfortunately. We sold lots of bromantane on Ceretropic, but our current bank thinks it is too risky.

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Unfortunately not. Shipping costs have increases twice this year alone. We are losing lots of money every month on shipping as it is, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. The state of the worldwide shipping syst

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

I've talked about it in detail before. https://www.reddit.com/r/NootropicsDepot/comments/aqspxl/is_there_something_different_about_nds_krill_oil/egke0zf/ I also discussed it a bit on the Accelon post. https://www.redd

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

We have all that here at our facility, so we will be on the lookout for you!

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

Yes, as far as our research can tell.

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

The FDA considers eczema a disease, meaning we can't discuss treating it with our products. That's a big no no from the regulatory standpoint. If we talk about treating diseases with our products, the FDA could consider

Comment · Fri, October 22, 2021 · 1 pts

I'm totally joking. He's ridiculous. Touch Me is a catchy one, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1nzaDYzdf8

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

I don't think it's going to get that bad. The Reddit admins do prefer to err on the side of freedom of speech. However, as I had to learn with Ceretropic, sometimes our naive optimism is just not how the real world is. I

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

So patented extracts can range wildly. The ones you mentioned, Longvida/Pomella, are both Verdure. Verdure is an interesting company in that they seem to go out and buy up patents/smaller companies to bring into their ec

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

So to adequately answer that question, I have to go back to all the way back to when I started all this. Around a decade ago I was just a nootropic and supplement enthusiast like all of you. I was experimenting with tryi

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

The loss on drying doesn't detect impurities, but I think I know what you are getting at. We do residual solvent testing via headspace GC-FID. That will determine if any of the loss that happened during the LOD process w

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

Yes, bacopa 24% will be back up soon. It's been a hell of a time trying to get that back in stock, but it is being entabulated now. Kratom is something we have investigated. We have not investigated it as a possible pro

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

My pleasure! I also personally take our products. I care about everyone's safety, but I also make sure things make sense because I am ingesting everything myself as well. The same goes for many people on the ND team. We

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

Earlier this year we got our lab ISO certified. During our audit we got a perfect score. I was super surprised. I mean, we worked really hard to ensure we were compliant, but literally a perfect score? That really was no

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

We actually have not tested any medications. That is an interesting question, though. I'd be curious to see what we find, too. We got our lab ISO certified earlier this year, and are now working on DEA licensing. This me

Comment · Sat, October 23, 2021 · 1 pts

Generally we discuss it on our weekly calls. Sometimes I bring up a topic I think we should talk about. Other times my product specialist find interesting info he wants to write about. Then other times my marketing direc