Comment · Fri, April 17, 2015 · Ceretropic
Ceretropic now has Graduated droppers for memantine, I was taking waaaay too much.
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CodeMaitre · 18 points
So I'm glad Ceretropic has finally given us an exact idea of what a "half dropper" = 10mg looks like. And wow...I always wondered why it was hitting so strong in the past, and now I see why. My idea of a half dropper turned out to be about 25mg haha.
Thank you Ceretropic! Been waiting to clear this up for ages and the graduated dropper really allows for accurate dosing now.
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Debonaire_Death · -3 points
"Thanks, Ceretropic"? Right.
Like we should be thanking a company for selling dangerous drugs without sufficient dosing guidelines. I talked with /u/misteryouaresodumb about the droppers before now and learned that a "half-dropper" is actually 1/3 of the actual dropper volume. Something about your post really set me off about how ridiculous that is.
The language used for dosing Ceretropic solutions without graduated droppers was appallingly incomplete. "Half-dropper" could easily, and should mean half of overall volume, but the fact that it wasn't is never elucidated anywhere on the packaging.
And I don't give a fuck that these are "for research purposes only". Maybe that charade needs to be followed on the official web sites but the drugs should be packaged with the full intention of them being consumed by humans. That is obviously what is going on and any failure to fully accommodate that by the companies involved is going over the line of legal protection and into the world of corporate obtuseness.
Ceretropic is a great company and I love their attitude, but this was a serious lapse. I'm glad they have graduated droppers now but goddamn if they couldn't have done more to make their drugs safer sooner by adding a few more fucking words to the label, such as "1/2 of dropper squeeze capacity" or something equally simple and effortless to compose.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic
The labels elucidate that a half dropper is .5ml already. It's been on the labels for a year now. Also, I have been working suppliers for the graduated droppers since July 2014, and have been trying to source them since day one! Don't act like I am not trying to improve things, and iron out issues. Stating "1/2 of dropper squeeze capacity" is not clear enough, and would create more confusion than simply stating the exact volume. Literally the only responsible thing is to use graduated droppers, and I have been working toward that since I launched.
No US-based vendor carries them, and very few manufacturers do it. I had to go through multiple Chinese manufacturers, and do an initial production run of 10,000 bottles! That was not possible for me in the beginning. Then I had to learn how to get 1 ton of goods from a warehouse in Shanghai, on a fucking shipping vessel across the ocean, then unloaded, through customs, and on a truck to our offices in Phoenix. All the while dealing with language barriers and unplanned labor disputes a the port! It's not a simple case of me calling up the dropper store, and buying a few droppers. I had to learn the ins and outs of international manufacturing, shipping, and customs processes, from scratch. I have been working day and night for over a year to improve these bottles!
Nobody on earth wants our products to be the best they can be more than I do. That is why I am constantly working to alter them and our processes to do that. We had to outsource our label printing in the beginning, and needed to buy large amounts at a time to get the cost down. The initial launch run did not have the .5ml wording, and that was a mistake. The subsequent label runs were altered after we realized it was not clear enough. That was way back in 2014. I have even helped countless people via email and PM to get the exact drop number for the dose they want. Don't act like I am not making an effort to improve the ease of use and safety of these substances!
Here is the memantine label as they have been since mid 2014.