Comment · Thu, March 6, 2025 · ND Owner
A petition to keep powders
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biohackd · 97 points
Either ND are having some apocalyptic stock issues, or they are completely eliminating powders from their line-up altogether:
Ginseng Leaf powder - out of stock
Ginseng Root powder - out of stock
Rhodiola 3% Rosavins Powder - out of stock
Rhodiola 3% Salidrosides powder - out of stock
Red reishi ultra concentrated powder - out of stock
Red Reishi 8:1 powder - out of stock
Holy basil - out of stock for 3+ months now
Coq10 powder - out of stock
I could go on...
I appreciate powders do not sell well compared to capsules but I AM BEGGING YOU ND DO NOT PHASE THEM OUT - you are going to alienate the guys that have been with you from the start.
Do not pander to the TikTok generation!
NootropicsDepot was always about being modular, the freedom to create your own stacks and giving people more choice not less.
Stay true to your DNA and do what you know is right - not what is most profitable. You are more than a business, goddamn it!
Please don't make me pay 2x for vegetable cellulose.
Surely I'm not the only one??
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VAPE_WHISTLE · 6 points
Unfortunate. You were the only supplier of ginseng leaf powder that I know of in the USA, but I understand that it isn't very economical to sell it.
I think I bought 2-3 jars of it and I'm convinced that's a lifetime supply, considering it's active at <100mg (40% ginsenosides is nothing to scoff at, high-end Korean ginseng products often contain 5-15mg in a serving), it came in 30g jars, and some ginsenosides have incredibly long half-lives so I only take it once or twice a week, tops, or I develop insomnia. And it was like $24 a jar after discounts.
How exactly are you supposed to make a profit on that unless you sell it at an insane markup?
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
That's the question I ask myself all the time. People really don't understand how much money it takes to run our operation. That's nobody's fault by my own. I have built and incredibly complex operation, with capabilities nobody else in the supplement industry has. We are doing science our competitors couldn't even dream of. I think one of the biggest issues consumers face is that they have no real insight into that. They hear me talk, and then they see our competitors saying: "Us too!" Those competitors are just lying through their teeth, though. However, consumers have no way of knowing what is true. Tons of our competitors watch what we do to emulate it. Look around at all the brands saying shit about their lab testing and transparency now. Hell, look at Toniiq... who literally fail more than any other brand we test! They say: "Transparency Taken To A New Level" and some fucking bullshit about TQ Five Point Testing Program. Ask them for the actual lab test results for a specific batch. Ask them for the cGMP certification and FDA registration of the facility making the product. Ask them for the ISO accreditation certificate of the lab testing the products. See what they say. They are taking transparency to a new level, after all! The same goes for places like Transparent Labs, where that's their FUCKING NAME! However, we have tried to get lab reports from them, and they won't share them. Transparent Labs will not transparently share lab reports... This is not unique. It's literally everyone. Got and ask every brand you can think of for these docs. NOBODY will share them with you. We have tried. We have people undercover going and doing this to all our competitors to see what they say. Everyone here can replicate it themselves. It's fucking asinine! However, it doesn't seem like anyone cares. Consumers just want to hear words that make them feel good about their decision. They don't want the truth.
Even labs are in on it! A bunch of the massive labs in the United States are participating in this scheme. They are helping to perpetuate consumer fraud, by allowing BY INPUT "testing" on COAs. Do you know what by input "testing" is? I have to put testing in quotes, because it is not actually testing at all. What that means is that brands send the labs their supplier COAs and manufacturing batch records, then those labs read what the brands say is in the product, then they ISSUE A COA SAYING IT CONTAINS THAT!!!!!! It's fucking fraud! I am sorry, I just can't beat around the bush like some other people in this industry. It's consumer fraud happening on the largest scale you can think of. This is how these brands are keeping their listings up on Amazon. They send to places like Eurofins, and Eurofins reads the fucking documents the brands send them, and then issues COAs without doing ANY ACTUAL TESTING OF THE PRODUCT! Then we go and buy the product and do actual lab testing on it and it fails. Sometimes they fail for IDENTITY! So they are not even the product they claim it to be, yet they have a Eurofins "COA" that they hold up saying they are verified. I can't even believe it is happening, to be honest. There are fake dry labs in the US that will give fake COAs to companies for their products. We find them all the time. However, for a big company like Eurofins to participate in something like this is just disheartening. To be clear, it's not just them. A bunch of US labs are offering by input "testing" to issue COAs now...
So anyway, if you can't tell, I fucking hate this piece of shit scam industry. I hate how most of the brands are just defrauding consumers and lying to them. I hate how the industry organizations are too scared of pissing off the brands that fund them, or rocking the boat with consumers and making them distrust the industry as a whole, so they literally stand back and watch this shit happening. I hate how most of the labs servicing the supplement industry don't give one flying fuck about consumers or scientific accuracy or honesty. I hate how nobody has the balls to call things as they are. Most of all, I hate how it all works. These lies and fraud WORK! The brands doing these things are selling way more than anyone else, and profiting like crazy off this fraud. Then consumers just let it all happen, because consumers don't want to feel like they made a bad decision buying from a specific brand. They would prefer to continue to be lied to, as long as it doesn't make them feel bad. People do not want to be told the truth, because the truth is messy and inconvenient. So this consumer fraud goes on and on and on for decades.