Comment · Thu, January 2, 2025 · ND Owner
ND & Greg Doucette Partnership…
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NaturalNormal9290 · 60 points
Gotta admit I was not expecting this one. Not necessarily that I’m a Greg hater, I’m just skeptical of fitness influencers that pedal the latest trend. I’m looking for to the upcoming ND pod with him on. It’ll be interesting to see the outcome. Especially, if I recall, since ND tested his products and they weren’t up to par.
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Far_Classic_6706 · 5 points
I thought there was literature that says BPC 157 is oral and nasally systemic? That’s why they sell the pills and sprays. Correct me if Im wrong or misinterpreted what you said tho. Although optimal efficiency of recovery through localized injection makes sense, I figured if the pills or nasal spray works it would just take a longer dosing time to get some benefit in a systemic way. Only reason why I wanted to go for BPC was cuz there was a non injectionable option.
Only reason why I haven’t gotten any was of concern of side effects and how it’s sourced? (Like where do they get this stuff from? It’s human gastric peptide juice, I hope it’s synthesized ie artificial made in lab by chemistry and not organically sourced from some dudes stomach just to be injected by other people which I find really creepy. But is just unnaturally sourced through chemistry by copying its chemical make up in an artificial way [I know all chemistry is technically natural in the world, so saying unnaturally sourced isn’t super accurate but you know what I mean by that]
Also has concerns of it causing cancer growth. There isn’t much research talking about that imo.
Also curious if localized injected BPC-157 can have its recovery efficacy improved via rehabilitation techniques (promoting blood flow through the joint with rehabilitative low intensity but incurring blood flow exercises to the joints…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
BPC-157 does have some systemic effects, but the extent of that has been overblown by people trying to sell it to people. The bulk of the high quality research on its oral effects are focused on things like IBS and protecting stomach/intestinal cells.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7096228/
That's a really good overview study. Yes, there are some systemic benefits to BPC-157 when administered orally at a high enough dose and in the correct form. However, the biggest issue with ligament and tendon tears are the lack of blood vessels to the area. This makes ligament and tendon healing a slow process, especially as you age. I have personally used BPC-157 to heal from a stage 4 acromioclavicular ligament tear, and from some more minor tears in knee ligaments. I also still speak to people who run peptide clinics for professional athletes. By far the most effective way to administer BPC-157 for tendon and ligament damage is subcutaneous injection at the site of injury. This allows a significant concentration of BPC-157 to reach the area near the damage, and help form new blood vessels to assist in the healing process. It's also not magic. It won't take a complete ligament tear to 100% healed in 6 days. Your body still needs time to heal. That doesn't mean oral BPC-157 isn't useful for some things. It's just not the appropriate way to use it for that specific injury.
Only reason why I haven’t gotten any was of concern of side effects and how it’s sourced?
Well yeah, nobody is doing proper lab testing on their BPC-157. You just have to hope that their Chinese supplier didn't screw up. It is synthesized in a lab. Nobody is extracting it from gastric juices. However, you can synthesize peptides correctly or incorrectly. That's why lab testing is a must, but no brands selling it right now are doing that, so you just have to hope.
Also has concerns of it causing cancer growth. There isn’t much research talking about that imo.
Any growth factor will have this risk. Nerve growth factor can exacerbate cancer growth, but we still need it for efficient operation of our nervous system. BPC-157 increases angiogenesis, so that can result in new blood vessels growing toward a tumor. This could result it in spreading or growing, so care should be taken.
Also curious if localized injected BPC-157 can have its recovery efficacy improved via rehabilitation techniques (promoting blood flow through the joint with rehabilitative low intensity but incurring blood flow exercises to the joints and muscles and with EMS/TENS Electro muscular stimulation Therapy. How much time that would cut the recovery process on healing semi or fully torn areas with low blood flow like ligaments and tendons In the knee? (Although fully torn idk how that would heal it itself unless reinserted to the attachment it snapped from with surgery)
100%. It should be paired with other treatments for best effects.