Comment · Thu, January 2, 2025 · ND Owner
ND & Greg Doucette Partnership…
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NaturalNormal9290 · 60 points
Gotta admit I was not expecting this one. Not necessarily that I’m a Greg hater, I’m just skeptical of fitness influencers that pedal the latest trend. I’m looking for to the upcoming ND pod with him on. It’ll be interesting to see the outcome. Especially, if I recall, since ND tested his products and they weren’t up to par.
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here_for_the_boos · 4 points
I think a better wording like just saying "Upcoming guest Greg Doucette joins the podcast to talk Turk and let us test his latest iteration to see if we can give it a gold seal of approval" wouldn't have set off so many alarm bells with people, and would draw them into the episode in a positive manner, and show you're still an authority and not collaborating with a possibly shady influencer. You also might want to look into your guests a bit more in general. I know you just care about the science, but people's reputations matter. If they didn't you wouldn't be commenting so much defending your reasoning, or felt the need to write that huge explanation. It took you years to build up ND's reputation, and I hope you're seeing that it doesn't take much to destroy it. That's just how most humans are wired. You work with shady people? You must be shady, and just been hiding it. Your (what should have been unneccesary) comments reassured me, and I'll check it out with an open mind, but I don't want to have to worry that ND's next podcast guest being Andrew Tate!
P.S. please require that he use his real voice and not play his character he does in videos. Maybe he doesn't do it anymore cause I gave up watching anything of his a long time ago, but that was one of the reasons.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Well we collaborated on more than just a podcast interview. We've been working in the background for a while to get botanical reference materials into the country from Uzbekistan, and on lab testing methods and validation. We made sure all the science was solid before we even decided to have him on the podcast. This podcast also isn't about us giving a seal of approval to any product. It's about the science behind Ajuga turkestanica, Cyanotis arachnoidea, turkesterone, and beta-ecdysterone. People have criticized me for only calling bad actors out, and never giving props to people that are doing things right. Greg, and the team at HTLT, actually took our lab results that we released 2.5 years ago seriously, and went and did something about it. It's not like I am picking and choosing these things. If another less controversial person had stepped up and done the right thing, then I would work with them as well. However, nobody did. I get that people have their opinions of Greg, but HTLT actually went out and advanced their science after they saw our data.