Comment · Thu, June 30, 2022 · ND Owner
Trustworthy brands in Europe? (lab tested, with the actual lab tested posted on the product page)
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No_Commercial_8168 · 4 points
I'm wondering if such companies actually exist outside of Arizona, USA
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Any_Signature_9140 · 3 points
So, specifically that RNIP labs are a fake dry lab, and therefore that Y&E’s Lion’s Mane supplement’s COA isn’t worth the paper it’s written on?
I’m interested in your professional opinion on whether a supplement company could potentially use such a lab innocently believing them to be legitimate, or if they effectively exist purely to wash the reputations of snake oil merchants who are all in on the hoax together?
Or I guess a third possibility would be that the company uses them innocently, but that in and of itself shows a level of negligence, which even if it falls short of dishonesty still renders their whole enterprise sufficiently suspect that they’re ultimately not worth buying from?
Full disclosure: I ask because I don’t actually use that product myself (why would I when ND does Lion’s Mane?) but their spermidine, which is tested by xell: https://youthandearth.com/products/spermidine-autophagy-supplement-60-x-400mg-capsules-sq9601900?variant=40422312837283 and who at least have a better looking website than RINP 😂
And I take it ‘the other lab’ you refer to is vP’s use of Micro Quality Labs for their NMN supplement. I am a customer of vP for their TMG (also backed by an apparent MQL COA), so will be in touch with MQL regarding the authenticity of their COA and report their response if you’re interested.
Lastly, are there any 3rd party labs you do trust at this poi…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
So, specifically that RNIP labs are a fake dry lab, and therefore that Y&E’s Lion’s Mane supplement’s COA isn’t worth the paper it’s written on?
I can't comment on the Y&E product specifically, as I have not tested it. However, anything from RINP shouldn't be trusted.
I’m interested in your professional opinion on whether a supplement company could potentially use such a lab innocently believing them to be legitimate, or if they effectively exist purely to wash the reputations of snake oil merchants who are all in on the hoax together?
Absolutely. I am sure there are some companies out there honestly using dry labs and being misled themselves. It's hard to tell who is who, though.
Full disclosure: I ask because I don’t actually use that product myself (why would I when ND does Lion’s Mane?) but their spermidine, which is tested by xell:
I don't know about that lab. Could be legit. I'd have to investigate more.
And I take it ‘the other lab’ you refer to is vP’s use of Micro Quality Labs for their NMN supplement. I am a customer of vP for their TMG (also backed by an apparent MQL COA), so will be in touch with MQL regarding the authenticity of their COA and report their response if you’re interested.
Yes please! There were some inconsistencies on some of their COAs from another brand, and we never found out if those were arising from MQL themselves, or if those brands were doctoring COAs. Calling the lab to verify a report is the best way to ensure you are at least getting a result that came from that lab.
Lastly, are there any 3rd party labs you do trust at this point or is it all shades of grey?
Absolutely! We are partnered with a half dozen other labs that we regularly work with. We send them samples we can't currently test, and they send us samples they can't. Sometimes we send them samples just to validate results we got in our lab. Alkemist is one of those labs. Some of the ones we work with ask us to not share their names, as they only work with a few select other labs, and don't want to be inundated with requests from the general public. However, there are good labs out there. I don't want it to seem like there are none. It's just there are a lot of bad ones to weed through.