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Comment · Fri, January 31, 2020

Cordyceps labeling/cordycepin content

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Aldarund · 7 points

Why cordyceps have cordycepin content labeled as .3% instead of 0.3% ? Its could be easily seen and interpreted as 3% instead of 0.3%, especially when dont look too carefully. It could easily mislead people.

And second question - why its only 0.3% even in 8-1 extract. For example competitor vendor extract show up 1.3% of cordycepin in 3rd party COA

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Aldarund · 2 points

\> We can put the 0 in front if it makes more sense

It is. Well, this exact label goes on some subreddit as example of deceptive practice of manufacturer to mislead customers. And honestly i can agree that i can mislead people as the dot can be easily missed.

But ye, im also think its because its just the way it is, noone though about it, not because someone wanted to mislead intentionally :) anyway its good thing to fix

as for cordycepin, isnt there a lot of paper specifically focused on that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3909570/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30522511
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5788910/
etc :) Just curious

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb

That subreddit is made by a competitor who is on a mission to badmouth us as much as they can. I get how there might be confusion, but that subreddit is not acting in good faith. We have tons of evidence of that fact. If I was trying to mislead people, why wouldn't I just put a much higher cordycepin number? That would be easy. Nobody would know. I could just say 10% cordycepin. Who is going to actually test it? Also, if I was trying to rip people off, why haven't I been selling some lion's mane mycelium extracts alongside the others for years? It would be super easy, and I could just make up an erinacine number like they do and put it on the label. Nobody can test it, so who would be able to call us out? The fact that I haven't done any of that should be a pretty good indication that I am not a piece of shit trying to mislead people. I could have made a ton of money lying like they have, and just selling a cheap Chinese mycelium extract like they are, then telling people it has 5% erinacines or some other made up number like they are. If I am just here trying to mislead people, why have I not done any of that? If you really think about it, it's pretty clear who is acting in good faith here. I could have brought out so many bullshit products and sold a ton, but I haven't. Why is that? The only logical conclusion is that I am being truthful, and I am working on the science to determine what is "good" before I release something I put my name behind. The markup that company is charging is so INSANE, too. I know where they get their stuff. They are ripping people off like crazy, but people keep saying they are quality, and even stupid shit like they have their own extraction technique... They buy it from a Chinese supplier! I know the exact one. It's CHEAP, too. You think people were upset about the Nammex price list thing. LOL. People would be LIVID if I released the price list from the Chinese supplier that vendor uses for their "super special extract." I'd love to make 1,000% markup! That would pay for so much lab equipment! All this info will be released in time. Proper science is difficult and takes time. We are very close, though.

Yes, we thought cordycepin was the main active for a long time, too. However, we have done a lot of testing internally. We bought a BUNCH of competitor's products, and tested their cordycepin content. I am not going to name who it is, but there's one out there with the highest amount that really surprised us. It's not the BS company behind that subreddit, either. It's someone you would be even more surprised at. However, in testing with various people, that extract had zero effect. In fact, some of my team took 1.5 GRAMS of it and felt nothing. The subjective beneficial effects are not correlated at all with cordycepin content. I was surprised, but that is a theory I have had for a while. I figured it was possible, but was still kind of surprised just how little of effect it has. Again, I am talking subjective effects. So the energy/endurance boosts people are feeling from it. I have no doubt the anti-cancer and other effects are legit. It's just not leading to the subjective effects. These mushrooms are seriously in their infancy regarding analytical chemistry. They have been used for thousands of years, but we still have not solved the analytical side. Pretty crazy, IMO. It's also kind of cool, because that means we can be on the forefront of answering these questions and solving these problems. That's fun!

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