Comment · Mon, November 28, 2016 · Ceretropic & Nootropics Depot
Is there a lab that tests and reports on nootropic content? Like labdoor, who sadly aren't doing it yet
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Anthrodork · 9 points
Hurry up labdoor! The amount of guff in other suppliment (check out their site) is really worrying
What they were answering
LabDoor · 3 points
We've answered these questions already. If you have more questions about our methods, feel free to ask them here, or PM/email ([email protected]) me directly.
We provided our ginseng data four months ago. /u/datagram asked you for the lot number or other data on your 2% claim. We never saw your data - please link/share here.
We saw the article you shared on ICP testing for Mg. We'll run both ICP and titration on Mg products in our next testing batch and publish both sets of data.
We've repeatedly explained our business model (like here), so I won't rehash that now.
We strive for 100% data accuracy in a world where that is near impossible to achieve. As we always say, the solution is more data. If you have more data about one of these products, please share it publicly.
For everyone's information - we're building our own lab now, and will start testing out of it in ~6 months. This lets us test faster, cheaper, more frequently, and more transparently. It's hard to get external labs to share methods privately, let alone on a forum like Reddit. We'll let you ask the chemists ques…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic & Nootropics Depot
Do you actually have the raw data showing that ginsenoside content? I see you typed the numbers in a comment, but do not see any actual raw data on it.
The batch we tested was GI20150312.
Here is the HP-TLC identity testing for the NuSci product, showing it is NOT Panax ginseng.
Here is the iodine starch test with the NuSci product on the left, and legitimate Panax ginseng on the right. The dark purple color shows the NuSci product is FULL of starch. You can run the same iodine test on your sample. I am sure the results are going to surprise you.
It's literally fake Panax ginseng, and is listed as your #1 value. That's crazy for a rating site like yours. I mean a small discrepancy here or there is one thing, but a completely fake product being named a #1 value? It's impossible to sell real Panax ginseng for the price they are. However, if you take American ginseng and cut it down with corn starch, then you can actually charge the prices they are.
I am glad you are changing your testing methods for magnesium, but shouldn't you have researched that before you rated them? People turn to sites like yours as informed sources relying on verifiable facts. If you are not using proper analytical methods in your rating systems, then what good are your rating systems? You have Bulk Supplements listed at the top of most of your ratings, but they do no third party analysis of their products stateside, and there are even multiple posts right now about them selling L-theanine with paint smell left in it; indicating left over residual solvents. I get that you can only make ratings on the batches you test, but the methods of those tests are crucial, and I really think you should have an aspect of your ratings for the testing procedures that a company has in place. Otherwise people will just take that rating at face value, and not look into how well the company tests EVERY batch that comes through their doors.
I am not against your business model by any means. I think a site that does rankings, that uses affiliate links alone, can work. I would rather it be completely independent, and use donations or another more creative funding system, but affiliate links can work. However, you MUST do things properly from day one. You can't just wing testing, provide some ratings, then fix your testing methodology down the line. Your rating system has to be based in verifiable scientific fact from the get-go, or your ratings mean nothing. Are you going to take down your magnesium and ginseng ratings till you redo them? Are you just going to let customers believe those ratings have any meaning? I can almost guarantee you people have bought the fake NuSci product using your affiliate links, because you rated them the number one value. So you very likely have influenced people in buying fake products. That's not good for a rating/testing site. Fake/impure products, and the current state of the supplement industry, really pisses me off; which is why I am so direct here regarding these things. It's bad for people's safety, and undermines the trust in the supplement industry as a whole. You get where I am coming from, right? I wanted to like what you are doing, but when I saw NuSci listed as your #1 value, when I knew it was fake, it just really set me off.