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Comment · Sat, September 7, 2013 · Ceretropic

Thiamine supplementation mood and cognitive functioning.

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From what I understand there appears to be an inverse relationship between glutamate and dopamine in the prefrontal cortex - sulbutiamine's ability to increase firing rates of the kainate receptors would cause a decrease in dopamine release in the PFC (and cingular cortex too, apparently!) I know large doses of kynurenic acid are neurotoxic, presumably from activation of kainate receptors everywhere they're found (they're not as common as AMPA or NMDA receptors, interestingly).

One thing I don't like about this abstract is that it doesn't specify pre- or post-synaptic kainate receptors - it could be either, or it could be both! I think distinguishing this is important, because pre-synaptic kainate receptors tend to mediate excitatory effects, and post-synaptic kainate receptors tend to mediate inhbitory effects (via the release of GABA).

Kainate receptors don't seem to be near as important as AMPA/NMDA receptors, but it's certainly too early in the research to be conclusive about anything! This section from the wiki page was particularly notable (to me at least):

Unlike AMPA receptors, kainate receptors play only a minor role in signaling at synapses.[4]
Rather, kainate receptors may have a more subtle role in synaptic plasticity, affecting the likelihood that the postsynaptic cell will fire in response to future stimulation.[5][6] Activating kainate receptors in the…

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic

Here is the full study

>Thus, the changes in density of kainate receptor in the
cortex lead to suggest that sulbutiamine and/or its metabolites may modulate the cortical glutamatergic transmission.
In fact, the rapid decrease observed immediately following a
single injection suggests a direct effect on the cortical glutamatergic transmission, for instance a modulation of the
intra-synaptic glutamate concentration. Cellular mechan-
isms responsible for the effects of sulbutiamine are
unknown. Thiamine triphosphate, a derivative significantly
enhanced in rat brain following an injection of sulbutiamine,
could have modulatory effect on neuronal membrane
permeability [2,3]. Such a modulation induces ionic
changes, and further modulate the binding on kainate receptors. Changes on glutamatergic transmission could be at the
origin of the modulation of dopaminergic cortical transmission.

It doesn't look like they specify post or pre-synaptic kainate receptors. However, it does look like the mechanism is due to cortical glutamate modulation.

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