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Plastic-Aide-1422 · 2 points
Really? Some store owner said that’s one brand he really trusts. My free test was really good too. Higher end. My shbg was actually higher though. Not super high but above mid. I forgot prolactin levels but never has gyno/man boobs. Stay lean year round matter what I eat. Ok I might the gamble with the new tongkat because I saw you put the right ingredients to not have my cortisol levels drop too much. Because the one I was taking I felt it did that. Especially if I took it midday.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
I am not saying it was not Tongkat at all. I am sure it was Tongkat. However, 100:1 and 200:1 claims are complete lies. It's a fraudulent ratio put on by Chinese suppliers because they think that's what Americans want to see. It all stems back from the fact that the first popularized Tongkat in the US was LJ100. People started to think that it meant it was a 100:1 extract, so they started offering generics to trick people into thinking that. They are just made up, though. Most of the time they are either non-extracted root, or they are 2:1 extracts. If you really press the Chinese suppliers, they will admit that, and say they put that on there because brands want to see it to make the product look more potent than it is.
We have done more testing and R&D on Tongkat Ali than anyone else in the world, by far. That might sound like a big claim, but it is absolutely true. Tongkat is our number one selling product for years, and it is one of my favorite ones, so I have put a lot of time and money into the science behind it. I actually just made some charts based on some lab data we did recently, which shows just how good of a position we have on Tongkat.
Not only are we the most potent Tongkat on the market, but we are BY FAR the cheapest per mg of eurycomanone. Also, we are the only ones doing novel extracts of it, then characterizing the actives in it, then doing more science on what each active does in the body. I spoke about it in a comment above, but I built us a whole cell culture lab to go along with our expanded isolation and reference standard creation lab. We have a badass Buchi SPC-50 supercritical CO2 prep system with both UV and mass spec detectors, where we can identify, separate, isolate, concentrate, and then elucidate novel active compounds in plants and mushrooms.
This is allowing us to find novel active compounds in things like Tongkat, then create our own reference standards for them. Then we can take them over to our cell culture room, where we have a Sartorius Incucyte SX5 system.
This allows us to culture human cells, then expose those cells to various things. Right now we have human intestinal cells cultured, and we are exposing them to Tongkat Ali and the various separated actives, to determine what they are doing in the body. Eventually we will be culturing human brain cells, and measuring neuronal growth and neuronal activity as well. So this system is going to allow us to really push the science forward for understanding all the various active compounds in these plants and mushrooms, and how they are working in the body. It's allowing us to use novel extraction methods, like our new cold water ultrasonic-assisted extraction, to pull out different compounds than traditional extractions.
Here is a chromatogram comparison of our Tongkat 2%, 10%, and the new cold water ultrasonic.
You can see we are pulling out a lot more peaks with this method. So you can see why I get so annoyed when other brands claim to be doing novel shit, but then sell the same fraudulent Chinese shit everyone else in the industry is selling. We are actually doing novel shit, and pushing the science forward on these ingredients. Everyone else is just lying to use marketing hype to sell more product.