Comment · Tue, June 11, 2024 · ND Owner
Yall wanna explain dis 😂
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bruhman123534t6 · 0 points
“We received a letter from an attorney representing Nootropics Depot, which sells the Nootropics Depot Shoden product that was Not Approved in this Review as we found only 23.5 mg of the 42 mg of withanolides that we expected based on its label. The letter claims that "the testing method you employed... was materially deficient, was not designed or intended to result in a fair and complete analysis of the withanolide glycosides in the Nootropics Depot Shoden... and resulted in a material understatement of the withanolide glycosides..." The letter demands that we retract our information about the product and cease publication of this Review, and, essentially, threatens legal action if we do not comply. We have no reason to believe that the information that we published about Nootropics Depot Shoden is incorrect and, therefore, do not intend to retract our information about it or delete this Review. We are alwa…
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Jack-o-Roses · 4 points
Sounds like perhaps the ASTM method needs revising to test for more active compounds. If ND isn't active in the appropriate astm (or ansi?) committees, I suggest that you get inolved. Methods can only be improved by improvement in the state of the art. I'm on a couple of astm committees and we revise, cancel or reapprove old methods all the time. By vote.
Thanks for what you do!
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
This is USP. They are ancient, and their methods need updating across the board. Everyone I have spoken to says they have told USP this for years, but they never do anything. I was just on an AOAC call a few days ago helping to dictate industry standards for mushroom testing, and I literally had to get on and rant about what they were saying... These were the science people from the industry. There was about 20 people from all sorts of companies and organizations on there, like Chromadex, Alkemist, Eurofins, NIH, NOW Foods, Amway, etc. and it was almost like some of them were arguing AGAINST improving the testing methods! I was ranting in the chat with my team about it! I had planned on just sitting back and listening to what everyone had to say, but I couldn't help myself. I had to raise my hand and rant. Consumers are counting on us to push the science and lab testing forward. Nobody else is going to do it, so we need to advocate for that wherever we can. So I am trying to help where I can, but these are big organizations run by people that have been in things for a while. They are slow and hard to change.