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Comment · Tue, July 25, 2023 · ND Owner

Deception in Dietary Supplements: Fake Labs, Faulty Data, and COA Red Flags

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confused-caveman · 3 points

Frankly it is not tricky at all... and unless nd suddenly has something to hide then there is no shame in saying that a legitimate lab is owned by the same guy selling supplements. If he's willing to let the results speak for themselves then why obfuscate who signs the check?

I certainly would not think any more of ND if they had an additional obscure lab coa to back up their in house labs.

As an aside, I'm a huge fan of this increased transparency. The industry is notoriously bad at it, and if it never gets better then that means it will only get worse and eventually we all will pay that price of increased government regulation and restrictions. So bravo here.

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner

His comment about the trickiness is not in relation to telling people about who owns it. It's tricky because we have to separate a lot of things for ISO accreditation. Independent people in my organization have to be responsible for ensuring the quality systems are followed, and they can't share roles with Nootropics Depot. The lab has to operate independently, even though it is a part of my larger organization. The tricky part is that Jay is both my lab director for Omnient Labs and my quality control director for Nootropics Depot. This is why Jay doesn't sign COAs. My lab supervisor does, and she doesn't have any roles at Nootropics Depot. However, the setting of specifications is a Nootropics Depot role. Specs can't be set for us by the lab. ND has to set the specs, then the independent lab has to test to ensure the samples meet those specs. When I built my lab, we had it all under the same organization. This meant that my lab was both setting specs and testing to ensure they met them. You can't have that if you want ISO accreditation. The lab has to be just a separate lab, running independently from the tasks that manufacturers or retail brand do. That's why we have a lot of different SOPs for the different companies, and those SOPs are all written and signed by different people in each organization. That's why it can be confusing for people that don't know how all these systems work. Nobody is hiding the fact that Omnient Labs is owned by me. I tell people that all the time. I am proud of it! Nothing to hide.

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