Comment · Sun, June 12, 2022 · ND Owner
Lab Testing Results Of Turkesterone, Beta Ecdysterone, and Gorilla Mind Sigma
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MisterYouAreSoDumb · 866 points
Okay, so I am finally getting around to make a post about the results of some of the lab testing we have been doing. I've had the results for a bit, but I've been holding off on officially releasing them because frankly it stresses me out these days. It's the same song and dance every time, and it is one I have been doing for a decade now. I release results showing other products are not what they claim, then people attack me and claim I am lying to sell more product. Sometimes the attacks are relatively harmless, and just raise my blood pressure a bit for a day or two. Other times they are death threats to me, my family, and my team. It's not fun sometimes. You'll notice I don't do this nearly as much as I did back in the day on /r/Nootropics. I was younger and more gung-ho then, and had a lot less on my plate. Plus, my family and team kind of pleaded with me to stop doing it so much because of all the attacks and threats. This is why I have not been releasing things like this as much these days. It's not because product quality magically got better in the industry, I can tell you that much! Anyway, let's just get into it.
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Shindog21 · 11 points
As a previous method development analytical chemist in pharma and a current formulation R&D chemist I have to say that you are doing excellent work and your findings reinforce my opinion that the FDA needs to regulate supplements for actual purity vs label claim.
Kudos on you're thoroughness. Did you bracket your runs with standards? How the hell do you have the funding to do this type of thing? Chemistry, especially UPLC quality chemistry, is extremely expensive.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
We partition our standards when we get them using our microgram balance, then make stock solutions that we use for calibration. However yes, it is very expensive. We do try to group samples together to save on costs, though. Sometimes that works out, but other times I just submit things to the lab and want faster results. You are right. Real quality chemistry like this is extremely expensive. Just the OQ and PMs for the UPLCs every year is nuts! We've spoken to Waters about that, because they have mostly done pharma till this point. Pharma has deep pockets. Dietary supplements does not. We are trying to help Waters create specific programs and offerings for supplement companies that are not as nuts as their pharma stuff. Like hey, I spent $150K on this UPLC system. Now I have to spend $20K per year to maintain it and re-certify it! Not to mention the power conditioner that it uses for power, which also needs OQ and PMs every year to be re-certified, and the OQ and PMs for the ultrapure water machine to ensure the water is in spec, then the solvents and standards we use on the testing, then the salaries of the qualified techs to run it! We even have to re-certify our compressed air every year, to ensure it is in spec. The same goes for that nitrogen generator. It has to have OQ and PMs every year, too. Hell, we even have to pay for our pipettes to be calibrated and certified. It all adds up real quick!
I have funded this all myself over the years. I just want to push the science forward. It's really fulfilling for me. I've also built a good team of people who all are passionate about chemistry and advancing things as much as I am. Well, maybe not as much as I am, but certainly on the same wavelength! LOL