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Comment · Fri, March 4, 2022 · ND Owner

Reason for the decrease in Cistanche Acteosides?

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Tyler_too_cold · 14 points

I still have a jar of Cistanche 50% echinacoside and 15% acteoside. I noticed on the website that the acteoside content has decreased to 10%. Any reason for that? I take 400mg after my 3 eggs and 2 TBSP of coconut oil and I get a clean androgenic and energized feeling. I’m guessing the 5% decrease won’t do much but still curious behind why it was lowered. Thanks.

Edit: Same extract. Just more accurate numbers.

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u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner

It was lowered due to lab testing improvements we made to the methods. All the labs out there currently testing Cistanche are massively overstating the acteoside/verbascoside content. We went back and forth with Alkemist on it, and their methods are not even using the acteoside standard. They are using a completely different compound and using a strange 3X correction factor. Well our testing in the lab shows that is not accurate. Standards for acteoside exist. There is no reason to use anything other than it as the standard for the calibration curve in the lab. We built and validated our own methods in our lab, and we are getting accurate numbers for acteoside/verbascoside now. Nothing has changed with the extract. It's just a method change in the lab, and we felt it more appropriate to lower the spec to match what we are seeing with all our new data. It's the same Cistanche extract from our same partner, so you should feel no difference.

I've had a lot of people ask me over the years why I spent all the money I have building our own in-house analytical lab, when I could just send to Alkemist or Eurofins instead. This is precisely the reason for that. Even the legitimate labs out there are not doing things to the standard I expect. This is FAR from the first time we have proven big name trusted labs' data wrong, and it will certainly not be the last. I set out to advance the lab testing standards of this whole industry, and the only way I can do that is to have a team that I oversee personally doing all this advanced work in the lab that I built. I wish I could show you just how insane we have taken things in our lab. Scientific accuracy, precision, and validity is paramount for us. I could have just taken Alkemist's numbers and used them because they were higher. However, that's not what I am about. I want the truth, even if that means lowering our spec to match the data I feel is more accurate.

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