Skip to content

Comment · Tue, September 8, 2020 · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot

What exactly is the appeal of piracetam over others?

Original post in this thread

Serdterg · 12 points

I reordered a jar of it before the acquisition problems started and I'm wondering why everyone is flipping their shit over it when I keep seeing aniracetam, noopept and phenylpiracetam consistently used and praised over piracetam

Edit: thanks for the on topic replies for those that did. Discussing regulation is one thing but the politics have gotten beyond off topic and rather inflammatory

What they were answering

Serdterg · 3 points

Jesus I didn't expect the owner of ND to show up and while I think your site is great and probably one of the ones I've recommended most (of websites in general) I'd like to have you weigh in on something since you're not just shitposting like the other guy.

I wrote a half asleep essay so what I'm specifically asking is what do you think of the idea that it's people who constantly spread propaganda and misinformation being the root of the problem? I'd argue it's not the government's fault because they have no real choice but to operate based on pandering specifically to the above people, the above people voting irresponsibly also being how shitty governments (as a whole or individuals) end up happening in the first place. Below this I'm just rambling and it doesn't really need to be read

I'll preface this by saying I'm referring to legislation regarding drugs/nootropics in general

When public sentiments regarding something becomes negative, politicians will not only pander to these people but reinforce these sentiments with blatant propaganda. I'll use some specific examples at the end of this post

Businesses aren't a singular conscious entity and exist to make money, some are deceptive as all fuck, some (which I believe is ND's case) get their business by just being no bullshit and reliable. In either case, and yes in the case of big pharma, businesses exist to make…

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Natrium Health & Nootropics Depot

I wrote a half asleep essay so what I'm specifically asking is what do you think of the idea that it's people who constantly spread propaganda and misinformation being the root of the problem?

I 100% agree. This is on all the shitty vendors and affiliate marketing sites that are improperly labeling piracetam, marketing it for the treatment of diseases, and making outlandish claims on it. If we didn't have that, we would not have had the heavy-handed enforcement. If people were not putting it into dietary supplements they were marketing to people for specific reasons, there would have been no reason to write that 2019 study. Without that 2019 study, there would not have been pressure put on the FDA to look into it further. Without the pressure, there would be no reason to start stopping shipments.

I'd argue it's not the government's fault because they have no real choice but to operate based on pandering specifically to the above people, the above people voting irresponsibly also being how shitty governments (as a whole or individuals) end up happening in the first place.

I agree somewhat. It's certainly not their fault that people are shitheads, and they need to fulfill their mandate. However, they should fulfill it clearly and within the bounds of the law. If people are improperly marketing piracetam, go after them. Send them enforcement letters and force them to comply. Don't use a loophole in the system to have CBP hold packages indefinitely without legal justification. I get that is an easier solution. Who is going to sue the federal government to get their piracetam released? It's much cheaper and easier than actually doing their jobs of enforcement. However, is that how we really want our government handling issues? If the problem is the shitheads, go after the shitheads! Punish the people causing the problem!

It's just like the student loan forgiveness thing. Schools and banks took advantage of people, and saddled them with shitloads of debt they might never pay off. Now people are talking about taxing all high income earners to pay for student loan forgiveness... Why not fucking tax the people that caused the problem in the first place?!?! Go after the people that have profited off the rising tuition! They caused the problem. They should be the ones that have to pay to fix it. Instead our government punished EVERYONE for the mistakes of the few. Socialized losses, but privatize gains. It makes our entire system a shitshow of morally bankrupt assholes looking to game the system, because they won't have to be the one paying to fix it later. Why do all the honest people who were not part of the problem have to be punished for the misdeeds of the few?

Businesses aren't a singular conscious entity and exist to make money, some are deceptive as all fuck, some (which I believe is ND's case) get their business by just being no bullshit and reliable. In either case, and yes in the case of big pharma, businesses exist to make money. It's up to the government (who also isn't just a single entity one can use as a convenient boogeyman (not necessarily referring to anyone specific)) to keep the asses of said businesses in check in the first place.

Sure, but look around. Is the government doing that? On average, would you say American businesses are trustworthy and have their customer's interests in mind? If your answer is no, then I propose that the government is failing at their mandate. Something needs to change. I don't think going extremist Libertarian is the way, but certainly what is being done now ain't working. The issue is that our system is fundamentally broken. Anything we talk about right now is going to have to work around a system that is just broken at a base level. Short of overhauling the entire system, all we can do is make small changes where we can. However, the is a LOT of money in making sure the current broken system doesn't get fixed. You are fighting against interests you can't even begin to imagine. So are we past the point of being able to peacefully fix it?

Other MYASD lines in this thread

Related in the archive

Postr/NootropicsApr 16, 2013

r/Nootropics Purity Testing

Myself and the other moderators have come up with a plan for 3rd party testing of various vendor's nootropics. Some of the vendors approached us looking for a way to advertise here, but have the money benefit the communi

14284PiracetamCOARacetams
Postr/NootropicsFeb 28, 2013

Reddit Placebo Blinded Racetam Study

Well the time has finally come. My curiosity has finally expanded to real world effectiveness, not just pharmacological mechanisms. We are all aware of the countless anecdotes for the various nootropics out there. Many o

121166PiracetamAniracetamDosingRacetams
Postr/NootropicsApr 2, 2014

Purity/Heavy Metals Testing Results

The results from our latest round of testing are in. We all had a pretty good idea that the Bacognize would fair well, as Nootropics Depot's tests showed. However, we now have 3rd party results confirming it. * Lead- .0

11837PiracetamPhenylpiracetamModafinilBacopa
Commentr/NootropicsJun 4, 2020

What happened to Piracetam?

Replying to VorpeHd · Economically freest country in the world my ass 😂

That's the biggest lie we have been told when we were growing up. Land of the free my ass. Look around at what is happening. We ain't free. We are slaves to a corrupt system and corrupt government. If we are lucky, we su

101PiracetamRacetams
Commentr/DrugsNov 8, 2012

Research Suggests no Neurotoxicity in MDMA

**I'm going to copy what I wrote on another thread:** _____________________________________________________ YES! Keep your damn body temperatures down people! http://www.maps.org/publications/1998_malberg_1.pdf http:

597PiracetamMagnesiumQuercetinDosing
Commentr/NootropicsMar 19, 2013

New to nootropics? I got a big tip for you..

Were you snorting lines of piracetam in the bathroom at work again?

90PiracetamRacetams