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Comment · Sat, February 29, 2020

Finally CONFIRMED that dud/fake batches exist

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DieOfBetes · 4 points

For a few months now I've been trying to get my hands on real Moda and also trying to tell people that there are many FAKE batches out there. Not just Moda but also Armodafinil and Adrafinil (from DoubleWood supplements which used to be good, but it was orange, this white stuff is fake).

So I search through all the stripes I bought, and I bought a lot, to stock up, and Modvigil batch 232-115 is FAKE. This has been reported by others which I discovered by googleing.

Modalert batch ESUO418 is also FAKE. I have 4 of those sadly.

Adrafinil from Nootropics Depot is also dud, it does a little something but this is not it. I tried 3x300mg and got the effect I used to get from ONE 300mg pill.

Then I find one stripe of Modalert batch ESTO611, take HALF a tablet and withing 20 minutes I feel more of an effect that I got from 2 or 3 pills of all those Armoda, Modvigil and Adrafinil fakes.

I spent more than 200 dollars on those fakes but the biggest fear was that I have somehow become a non-responder, which is impossible. If there are non-responders they are like that from the beginning.

The Armoda batch that is fake is: EMU1142. A real box, real stripes, packaging but does nothing. Wh…

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We don't sell bad batched. PERIOD. I've literally spent millions of dollars on our lab, and hired PhD chemists to ensure that. We've done more analysis on adrafinil than anyone else in the United States... maybe the world, other than Cephalon. Our adrafinil is synthesized specifically for us now, using synthesis routes we decided on, and purification steps that we mandate. Notice how ours is white? That's because we have figured out how to make it more pure using multiple purification and recrystallization steps. That was a long hard road in the lab to figure out, too. We do full ICP-MS metals panels on all our batches of adrafinil, not just heavy metals. We can tell you the iron or chromium content of the batches. Some synths lead to much higher iron levels, while others lead to higher chromium. The amount of iron in a powder can affect how orange it looks. The craziest thing is that how pink a batch of adrafinil looks is not due to the iron. Orange, yes. However, the pink hue comes from the crystal structure. So even if we take out all the iron, we can still make it pink by affecting the crystallization step. This is why we control those steps tightly now. We also do NMR on every single batch of adrafinil, on top of the FTIR, HPLC, ICP-MS, LOD, water activity, and now GC-FID for residual solvents. We actually thought the differences in batches might have been a differing amount of isomers, so we tested tons of batches with our polarimeter as well. That was to see if we could see any difference in the amount of D and L forms. However, all batches had the same optical rotation, so we know they are all racemic. We've literally gone to an absolutely insane level testing adrafinil to try and understand it and make it better. We only have one more final frontier on it, and that is standardization of its polymorphism using X-Ray crystallography. That's pharma level R&D shit we are talking about now. Pharma companies very tightly control the polymorphisms and crystal structure in their compounds. They keep all that data very tightly controlled as trade secrets. So we have to do all the legwork ourselves from scratch. That's the last piece of the puzzle we are trying to solve. We have solved all the others.

So no, you did not get a bad batch from us. Those don't exist. We spend a LOT of time, effort, and money ensuring that. What you got from us was likely the most pure adrafinil you have ever gotten, and I am not kidding on that. Nobody else in the world is having labs synthesize whole batches of adrafinil for them using their own mandated routes, purification, and crystallization steps. To say we are on another level is an understatement. We are working on shit our competitors don't even know exists. You are not even going to hear anyone talking about some of these things outside of pharma. We don't half-ass and speculate. We use actual valid science and analytical chemistry to prove things are correct.

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