Comment · Mon, October 12, 2015 · Ceretropic & Nootropics Depot
Are the days of 3rd party COAs over?
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luke1899 · 26 points
The title is the question. When Nootorpic businesses started popping up, the standard was whether you had 3rd party COA's or not . Now, almost no one has one up.
Powder City suddenly stopped putting them up anymore . Why, I dont know, but I would like an answer.
Ceretropic doesn't have them up. Yes, I know they do in house testing but all the COA's they have up are China manufacturer COA's
Peak nootropics has 3rd party COA's up but some of them are from 2013, really? The product from those COAs isnt even good anymore
I only brought a few companines that I've bought from, btu if anyone else has any, chime in
Now don't get me wrong, I order from Powder City and Ceretropic all the time, but why have the 3rd party COAs disappeared? I am not trying to "call anyone out" but I do believe as a customer I have the right to have this answered
What they were answering
boomboomlontime · 1 points
Wouldn't people rather have an independent Certificate of Analysis done though? It seems to be a conflict of interest for the companies to do their own. If a guy walks up to you on the street and offers you a gold watch you want proof that it is gold. If you ask and he says "it's gold I promise" that doesn't really mean much. So you take it to a shop that has some experts and equipment to check for purity. The shop doesn't give a shit if it is gold or not they just get paid to tell you if it is gold or if it is not gold. Same with independent COA.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic & Nootropics Depot
If you think I spent $100,000 on equipment for our testing lab so that I could fake analyses, then I would say you should not purchase from us. You can come down to our facility, and I will walk you through the testing. When you send off to a lab, you just get a yes/no and purity number. Doing the testing in-house allows you to not only get quicker results, but it allows you to compare products from all vendors out there. I buy from everyone all the time, and run their samples through our equipment. Then I can run extra analysis if things look strange, so that I can figure out why and where it is coming from. I am also not just building a Nootropics company. I am building something much bigger than that, which requires a lot of equipment to give us the flexibility to do the novel things we want. I still send off to labs if the testing required is not up to our current capability, like NMR and Mass Spec. I'll get that equipment down the road, though. We also work directly with Sigma Aldrich and USP, to get reference standards for everything we sell.
So I am not just a street-side watch peddler trying to scam you. I give a shit about my reputation, and the safety of the community. I also think some really cool things can be done with a vendor that wants to push things forward; which is why I started Ceretropic in the first place. If people want to trust places like Peak Nootropics, with independent COAs from 2013 as the measure of that, then I am not going to stop them. However, I have made it abundantly clear that I am making huge strides to push the Nootropics space to higher standards. If people see me spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to build our own in-house lab as something bad, then I don't really know what to say to them.